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re: I just don’t get the hype around Riley.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 1:55 am to BillF
Posted on 11/20/21 at 1:55 am to BillF
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sounds like people are expecting LSU to make Riley, rather than Riley making LSU better .
Honestly, you could say essentially the same things about Lane Kiffin that you said about Riley, and Kiffin has proved, in short order, that he can win in the SEC.
Not really.
When has Kiffin gotten to the CFP?
I get the comparison but Riley has more experience. Just being realistic.
In a short amount of time, relatively.
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Posted on 11/20/21 at 2:02 am to Tiger Tracker
So inheriting a talent-rich, blue blood program is the same as taking over downtrodden programs like FAU and Ole Miss? Lane built. Riley maintained. There's a difference.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 2:07 am to whitefoot
So he gets a pass because his team wasn't good enough to be less than a 2 touchdown underdog, so they naturally lost? For a fat girl, she doesn't sweat much.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 2:07 am to BillF
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Riley maintained.
Isn't that a good thing?
Kiffin had success at the juggernaut FAU.
He's in year 2 at Ole Miss. He's done well, I will admit.
He sticks around for just a couple years, then bolts. Look at his history. He has off the field history. I don't want him.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 2:15 am to la_birdman
You want Riley to maintain what LSU has?
Kiffin has always left for better jobs. Isn't that what the best coaches do? Saban was a vagabond until he found the place he wanted to settle.
Has Kiffin had any off field issues since he started coaching for Saban? People grow up.
Kiffin has always left for better jobs. Isn't that what the best coaches do? Saban was a vagabond until he found the place he wanted to settle.
Has Kiffin had any off field issues since he started coaching for Saban? People grow up.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 2:26 am to lsu1919
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I’m sure I’ll get called dumb etc, but honestly looking for good conversation. I just don’t get giving Riley 10-12 million a year.
He's not worth $12m a year on merit.
You're partially paying a premium to get a coach to leave a program where's he's been to the playoffs 3 times to come to admittedly a great program, but one that has to be built up due to the neanderthal. LSU is a better job than OU but not by enough to make it a no-brainer for him.
This post was edited on 11/20/21 at 2:28 am
Posted on 11/20/21 at 3:07 am to lsu1919
He's got an exciting offense, three is no doubt.
He can recruit, we know that.
But his ceiling seems to be short of a NC.
He can recruit, we know that.
But his ceiling seems to be short of a NC.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 4:12 am to Tiger Tracker
quote:This is the problem right here. Everyone that loves him gives him a pass on the defense. They assume that he can get a great coordinator and that plus the instate talent will make things easy. ...But he hasn't shown that he can make a good defense. The arguments that he can't get personnel and that you can't play good defense in the offense heavy Big-12 don't hold water. His defense is in the middle of the pack (5th) of the Big 12.
Get him paired up with a good DC and he could dominate.
Oklahoma State: 3rd (282.8 ypg)
Iowa State: 10th (307.1 ypg)
Kansas State: 29th (340.5 ypg)
Baylor: 44th (353.9 ypg)
Oklahoma: 70th (386.8 ypg)
Hell, LSU is ranked 68th (385.9 ypg) and apart from the last couple games our D has not been very good. If OSU, ISU, KSU, and Baylor can make good defenses from 3-star players, why can't Oklahoma do it with 4-star players?
Riley is a good coach, and I won't mind having him. However, paying him $12 million dollars a year over 8 years is ridiculous when he has a gaping hole in his resume. Everyone is thinking that he'll fix our one problem (quarterbacks) and everything will be great, but the flip side is a bit scary. What if he can't build a championship caliber defense and we start losing all our in state defensive talent to other schools? frick that!
And FYI, Riley's vaunted Oklahoma offense is 18th in the country (455.3 ypg). Meanwhile Dave Aranda has Baylor's offense at 19th in the country (453.6 ypg), and the players at Baylor aren't close to what you see at Oklahoma.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 5:17 am to GeauxJZK
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3 CFP appearances.
And blown out when he has to play a non big 12 team. Which he'll be doing weekly.
I don't get your lack of confusion.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 6:30 am to lsu1919
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10-12 million bucks f
Why do you tards care so much about the money? I don’t care if it was 100 million a year.
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a guy that’s never won a title or is ever going to beat saban or Kirby consistently.
The incompetent potato with arms that we just fired never lost to Kirby. Some of you should just lurk
Posted on 11/20/21 at 7:10 am to lsu1919
I am aligned with you on an over inflated hype. If OU and UT were playing in the SEC this year neither school would be .500. This fan base would be revolting over a potential Riley hire. My God this LSU Team would only be a 2 loss team or 3 at worst in that pathetic conference.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 7:29 am to lsu1919
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The guy should be dominating the B12,
How many times has he failed to win the Big12 while as HC?
Posted on 11/20/21 at 7:38 am to DocBugbear
So Lincoln Riley……
So if SW doesn’t hire a HC that WINS AT LEAST 95% of the games he coaches, in a SEC like conference (doesn’t exist), who’s an Offensive & Defensive GURU (also doesn’t exist) that doesn’t need to rely on hiring elite OC’s & DC’s to be successful. He simply MUST be able 2 DO IT ALL himself, Otherwise Woodward’s a friggin dumb arse & this hire is guaranteed to be a FAILURE!!!
This Shits easy - All Woody needs to do is take the 45 minute drive down I-10 & make Sean Payton an offer He CANT refuse! RIGHT?
Awe HELL never mind I forgot that Payton’s just an Offensive guy & even he needed an elite DC (Greg Williams) to win it all, so I suppose He would be a waste of time as well?
Do you see just how completely asinine this sounds when you say it all out loud where other people can hear your ramblings?
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Has a gaping hole in his resume: Defense!!
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Everyone that loves him gives him a pass on the Defense. They assume that he can get a great coordinator (DC)
So if SW doesn’t hire a HC that WINS AT LEAST 95% of the games he coaches, in a SEC like conference (doesn’t exist), who’s an Offensive & Defensive GURU (also doesn’t exist) that doesn’t need to rely on hiring elite OC’s & DC’s to be successful. He simply MUST be able 2 DO IT ALL himself, Otherwise Woodward’s a friggin dumb arse & this hire is guaranteed to be a FAILURE!!!
This Shits easy - All Woody needs to do is take the 45 minute drive down I-10 & make Sean Payton an offer He CANT refuse! RIGHT?
Awe HELL never mind I forgot that Payton’s just an Offensive guy & even he needed an elite DC (Greg Williams) to win it all, so I suppose He would be a waste of time as well?
Do you see just how completely asinine this sounds when you say it all out loud where other people can hear your ramblings?
Posted on 11/20/21 at 7:38 am to BillF
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Sorry, but it sounds like people are expecting LSU to make Riley, rather than Riley making LSU better .
LSU is one of the few opportunities where a guy like Riley can create a dynasty. He can't do that at OU.
So LSU "makes" Riley in the limited sense that we could go on a historic run. He can have amazing teams most every year at most major programs but only at a few does he have dynasty potential. LSU is in that short list (and OU is not).
And it wouldn't take much to make LSU better, so that argument is even more absurd.
This post was edited on 11/20/21 at 7:39 am
Posted on 11/20/21 at 7:39 am to lsu1919
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I’m sure I’ll get called dumb etc
Ok. You're dumb.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 7:42 am to supersaints9
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The incompetent potato with arms that we just fired
That’s just about as “SPOT-ON” of a description of CEO as I’ve ever heard!!!!!!
Plus its hilarious as well! Nicely done.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 7:46 am to BillF
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Why can't you get defensive talent at Oklahoma?
Big12 stigma + geography
In the SEC and in LA, you won't have problems. We produce DL and DBs in excess, which are the 2 areas OU has recruiting to OU.
Major defensive recruits don't want Big12 stigma, which is a big reason why the SEC has dominated recruiting even more the past few years.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 7:47 am to lsu1919
I’m with you on this. He’s got a great record in a terrible conference. I know he’s a great offensive mind, but no head coach has the capacity to fully run an offense (or defense) while also managing the game as head coach.
However, Orgeron was able to win a championship while neither managing either side of the ball or sufficiently managing the game. So, who the hell knows.
However, Orgeron was able to win a championship while neither managing either side of the ball or sufficiently managing the game. So, who the hell knows.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 7:51 am to DocBugbear
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And FYI, Riley's vaunted Oklahoma offense is 18th in the country (455.3 ypg). Meanwhile Dave Aranda has Baylor's offense at 19th in the country (453.6 ypg), and the players at Baylor aren't close to what you see at Oklahoma.
Spot on take right here. Armada is a better choice for so many reasons.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 7:57 am to John Cocktosten
This is a down year for OU and they have 1 loss and are right with Baylor in a special year. Context matters.
Riley is clearly the #1 by far
I have Aranda as the clear #2, personally. I'm not shitting on tFolder
Riley is clearly the #1 by far
I have Aranda as the clear #2, personally. I'm not shitting on tFolder
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