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How does booster influence work with coaching hires?
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:29 am
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:29 am
I understand AU has a problem with their boosters being too involved.
These questions are for any school. Figured I'd use AU since we are in the middle of this and our boosters have lots of power apparently.
But how exactly do the boosters communicate with the upper administration of the AU Athletic Dept?
Do they have meetings with boosters? Do they meet or speak with them separately or do they have a series of big meetings with several prominent boosters?
Exactly how much power do we suspect these boosters to have? Do they just give some input or do they actually have the power of making decisions without the AD Dept?
Curious.
These questions are for any school. Figured I'd use AU since we are in the middle of this and our boosters have lots of power apparently.
But how exactly do the boosters communicate with the upper administration of the AU Athletic Dept?
Do they have meetings with boosters? Do they meet or speak with them separately or do they have a series of big meetings with several prominent boosters?
Exactly how much power do we suspect these boosters to have? Do they just give some input or do they actually have the power of making decisions without the AD Dept?
Curious.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 11:30 am
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Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:30 am to i am dan
they threaten to pull their money and funding if they dont get their way
if you have enough money, then you have enough power and influence
if you have enough money, then you have enough power and influence
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:32 am to i am dan
Boosters provide money to the Athletic Department. If you give a significant amount of money to the school, you absolutely talk to the upper echelon of people in the AD as part of their job is to ensure you keep donating.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:34 am to The Egg
I understand they can do that, but how much are they really involved in actually picking the coach?
Say the boosters want Kiffin... say the AD and the fanbase wants Lanning for example. Both coaches are interested and can potentially be hired.. Who does the school hire?
Is the AD at schools that powerless? Is there a discussion where the boosters and AD compare notes or try to convince the other party to make their preferred hire?
Say the boosters want Kiffin... say the AD and the fanbase wants Lanning for example. Both coaches are interested and can potentially be hired.. Who does the school hire?
Is the AD at schools that powerless? Is there a discussion where the boosters and AD compare notes or try to convince the other party to make their preferred hire?
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 11:37 am
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:41 am to i am dan
It depends on the AD. If you have one with enough balls to tell the big money boosters to stay out of it and trust the process, then the AD has the power
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:52 am to ipodking
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It depends on the AD. If you have one with enough balls to tell the big money boosters to stay out of it and trust the process, then the AD has the power
I'm sure most AD would love to tell boosters to stay out of it, but they have to walk a thin line between holding power and keeping the donations coming.
I'm sure my question can't really be answered because none of us are there in these discussions. Just wondering what peoples' perception of this is.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 1:07 pm to i am dan
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But how exactly do the boosters communicate with the upper administration of the AU Athletic Dept?
With their checkbooks
Posted on 11/16/22 at 1:15 pm to i am dan
Boosters expect access and to be involved because of their investment. Allowing to come to practice. Hand shakes and hob knobbing from coaching staff and AD. Inside information.
This is worse at some places than other. Saban had to push those people out at Alabama and tell them to that to win they need to stay out of it. Hard to do if you aren't winning.
Lane has done this at OM. There was a faction that got Matt Luke hired. Lane basically said, leave me alone if you want to win. They have since come back around because he is winning.
The issue at Auburn is that the booster tried a coup with Gus and wanted to install Steele. When that didn't work they cut the legs out from underneath Harsin and tried to get him fired with cause.
This is the issues that every coach knows comes with the job at Auburn.
This is worse at some places than other. Saban had to push those people out at Alabama and tell them to that to win they need to stay out of it. Hard to do if you aren't winning.
Lane has done this at OM. There was a faction that got Matt Luke hired. Lane basically said, leave me alone if you want to win. They have since come back around because he is winning.
The issue at Auburn is that the booster tried a coup with Gus and wanted to install Steele. When that didn't work they cut the legs out from underneath Harsin and tried to get him fired with cause.
This is the issues that every coach knows comes with the job at Auburn.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 11/16/22 at 1:58 pm to i am dan
The only issue at Auburn was we hired Leath. He’s an out of place hire and didn’t give a shite about what the boosters say. Leath comes in and hires AG who hires Harsin. With Leath as President, AG has the power to tell the boosters to stick it (granted not without consequences).
Well Leath doesn’t work out as President and gets fired. So we brought in Gouge (former President before Leath) as kind of a long term interim. Gouge already knows the boosters and is a lot more friendly with them than Leath was.
Boosters didn’t like Harsin. If Leath was still President with AG as AD, their only card would be to pull the donations and see if Leath/AG call their bluff (boosters don’t really want to pull their donations). But with Gouge as interim President, they can work him to get rid of Harsin by either telling AG to get on board or ship out.
Boosters only have as much power as President/AD allows them.
Well Leath doesn’t work out as President and gets fired. So we brought in Gouge (former President before Leath) as kind of a long term interim. Gouge already knows the boosters and is a lot more friendly with them than Leath was.
Boosters didn’t like Harsin. If Leath was still President with AG as AD, their only card would be to pull the donations and see if Leath/AG call their bluff (boosters don’t really want to pull their donations). But with Gouge as interim President, they can work him to get rid of Harsin by either telling AG to get on board or ship out.
Boosters only have as much power as President/AD allows them.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:00 pm to Weagle25
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The only issue at Auburn was we hired Leath. He’s an out of place hire and didn’t give a shite about what the boosters say. Leath comes in and hires AG who hires Harsin. With Leath as President, AG has the power to tell the boosters to stick it (granted not without consequences).
Well Leath doesn’t work out as President and gets fired. So we brought in Gouge (former President before Leath) as kind of a long term interim. Gouge already knows the boosters and is a lot more friendly with them than Leath was.
Boosters didn’t like Harsin. If Leath was still President with AG as AD, their only card would be to pull the donations and see if Leath/AG call their bluff (boosters don’t really want to pull their donations). But with Gouge as interim President, they can work him to get rid of Harsin by either telling AG to get on board or ship out.
Boosters only have as much power as President/AD allows them.
What about the rumors about Harsin and his family to get him fired with cause? Where does that fit in?
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:03 pm to HottyToddy7
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When that didn't work they cut the legs out from underneath Harsin and tried to get him fired with cause.
Not at all accurate.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:04 pm to AUWDE
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Not at all accurate.
Which part? Where did the affair stuff come from?
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:05 pm to HottyToddy7
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What about the rumors about Harsin and his family to get him fired with cause? Where does that fit in?
Don’t believe everything you read on the internet.
You should know that since you don’t believe the Kiffin to AU crap floating around right now.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:06 pm to Weagle25
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You should know that since you don’t believe the Kiffin to AU crap floating around right now.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:10 pm to HottyToddy7
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Which part? Where did the affair stuff come from?
Complaints were filed about Harsin.
The President decided to look into them to see if anything was valid. It was about treatment of players (in particular black players). We had several former players mentioning this on the way out. At the end of it, they didn’t see anything wrong and it was mostly disgruntled players not liking his style of coaching/mad they aren’t playing more.
Internet speculated the entire affair thing and that is was just a ploy to fire Harsin. If it was a ploy to fire Harsin, why didn’t we?
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:20 pm to i am dan
Hire my guy and give me access, I'll give you more money.
Don't hire my guy and don't give me acceess, I'll cut off the money.
Don't hire my guy and don't give me acceess, I'll cut off the money.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:37 pm to i am dan
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How does booster influence work with coaching hires?
Poorly.
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:45 pm to i am dan
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I understand AU has a problem with their boosters being too involved.
These questions are for any school. Figured I'd use AU since we are in the middle of this and our boosters have lots of power apparently.
But how exactly do the boosters communicate with the upper administration of the AU Athletic Dept?
Do they have meetings with boosters? Do they meet or speak with them separately or do they have a series of big meetings with several prominent boosters?
Exactly how much power do we suspect these boosters to have? Do they just give some input or do they actually have the power of making decisions without the AD Dept?
Curious.
When Missouri administration went out to replaced Odom. The AD was set interview the coaches on his list. He brought them to the boosters and the others inner circle to view the list and it was torn up. Do over. Then Harsin name came up, he then wanted 5 million dollars a year. He was scratch off the list. I remember Drinkwitz was interviewed with Arkansas and the administration and the booster with inner circle told AD to go interview Drinkwitz again. Then he was hired. It may not be 100% accurate. He got 4 million dollars a year.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 12:16 am to TrueLefty
This is why I think Cohen, while he seemed a strange hire at 1st, might be what they need. He’s a big ego guy, big physical guy in general, and more than capable of being an a-hole. I don’t think he’s gonna be intimidated by any boosters to do anything he and the President don’t think are right for the University. I think they have enough money that he can afford to tell a few who aren’t in alignment to go frick themselves as long as be and the President are and can convince the rest of the boosters to trust their vision is in Auburn’s best interest.
As an LSU fan, I think Cohen’s an a-hole and certainly don’t want Auburn to hit a home run with this hire. However, I respect him as an AD, think they are going to try to get as close to recreating what LSU did with Kelly as possible, and predict they throw something like 9 years 90 million guaranteed to Fickell and he takes it. He can’t win at Cincinnati, and Ohio State and Notre Dame look to have HCs that will be there for a while, so the timing of this may be right. I don’t think Kiffin would take the Auburn job, I don’t think Auburn would hire Freeze, they want a big name, but safe coach…Luke Fickell, final answer.
As an LSU fan, I think Cohen’s an a-hole and certainly don’t want Auburn to hit a home run with this hire. However, I respect him as an AD, think they are going to try to get as close to recreating what LSU did with Kelly as possible, and predict they throw something like 9 years 90 million guaranteed to Fickell and he takes it. He can’t win at Cincinnati, and Ohio State and Notre Dame look to have HCs that will be there for a while, so the timing of this may be right. I don’t think Kiffin would take the Auburn job, I don’t think Auburn would hire Freeze, they want a big name, but safe coach…Luke Fickell, final answer.
Posted on 11/17/22 at 12:33 am to Hot Carl
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This is why I think Cohen, while he seemed a strange hire at 1st, might be what they need. He’s a big ego guy, big physical guy in general, and more than capable of being an a-hole. I don’t think he’s gonna be intimidated by any boosters to do anything he and the President don’t think are right for the University. I think they have enough money that he can afford to tell a few who aren’t in alignment to go frick themselves as long as be and the President are and can convince the rest of the boosters to trust their vision is in Auburn’s best interest.
As an LSU fan, I think Cohen’s an a-hole and certainly don’t want Auburn to hit a home run with this hire. However, I respect him as an AD, think they are going to try to get as close to recreating what LSU did with Kelly as possible, and predict they throw something like 9 years 90 million guaranteed to Fickell and he takes it. He can’t win at Cincinnati, and Ohio State and Notre Dame look to have HCs that will be there for a while, so the timing of this may be right. I don’t think Kiffin would take the Auburn job, I don’t think Auburn would hire Freeze, they want a big name, but safe coach…Luke Fickell, final answer.
I wouldn't take Fickell. That just me. Kiffin is better because he is at Ole Miss and Ole Miss will have to replaced Kiffin which will be hard to find a good HC at Ole Miss. Might get lucky and get a similar HC like Lance Leipold at Kansas.
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