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re: Help me out here re: those of you who want to keep O

Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:00 am to
Posted by gettin there
La.
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:00 am to
"Petrino
Chryst
Gundy
McIntire
Whittingham
Fuente
Franklin"............

LOL
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
88509 posts
Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:02 am to
Every single one of those guys has a resume infinitely better than O's
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:03 am to
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it's truly mind blowing that any LSU fan would actually want to keep O on full time.


mind blowing? seriously?

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Do you feel the jobs of an interim coach and a full time coach are sufficiently the same?


nope...but I feel Ed O is proving he can do the job while no other candidate can say they took over THIS team and won convincingly without even having the opportunity to truly change the offense

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2) Do you think LSU can't do any better?


who is to say Herman would be a good fit...our leading candidate lost 2 games to inferior teams in the last month

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3) Do you think a guy who is the Ole Miss version of Curley can change to such a degree that he suddenly is an NC caliber coach now?


I believe comparing Ole Miss and LSu is absolutely idiotic

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4) Do you just like the fact he's from Louisiana?


It can only be a positive for recrutiing
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
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Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:03 am to
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Being a full time coach requires managing and maintaining a program 12 months out the year. O has already proven he doesn't know how to do that.


And you're assuming that he hasn't learned from his mistakes in the 10+ years since his last coaching job.

If you're going to point out fallacies in the arguments of others you could at least be honest in your own.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:03 am to
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but based on the body of results right now, then he should have that opportunity to run the program full time.


No, based on his body of results he should NOT get that chance
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:06 am to
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mind blowing? seriously?


Yes. This idea is that bad.
Posted by MastrShake
SoCal
Member since Nov 2008
7281 posts
Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:06 am to
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Not his team. Once Les' guys are gone it will be Archer 2.0
gosh, where have i heard this before. the "larry coker" thing didnt stick with miles so lets dust it off and try it again on orgeron.

i dont want O as HC either but to think talent would be an issue is simply dumb.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:08 am to
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gosh, where have i heard this before. the "larry coker" thing didnt stick with miles so lets dust it off and try it again on orgeron.


Miles, unlike O, had actually built a successful program at Okie State. O crashed and burned to the tune of one of the worst records in SEC history!!

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i dont want O as HC either but to think talent would be an issue is simply dumb.


Talent no, development yes.
This post was edited on 11/14/16 at 10:09 am
Posted by Greace
Member since May 2009
4854 posts
Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:08 am to
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I say hire him, and give him a short term contract, but if he is a bust next year, then move on


So basically do what we did last year? Except if you hire a Head coach on a 2 year contract how are you expecting him to convince kids to come play for him when he doesn't even have a contract to be there for the entire 4 years they will be in school
Posted by billfish21
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2009
1667 posts
Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:10 am to
Your position is obvious... I know you're capable of similar questions that lack bias.

I would rather see LSU succeed with Coach O than fail with Jimbo or Herman.

Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:11 am to
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And you're assuming that he hasn't learned from his mistakes in the 10+ years since his last coaching job.


Admitting you made a mistake doesn't automatically mean you know how to fix them. At least not to the degree that would seriously see LSU competing at a high level on a consistent basis.

I'm sure he's learned enough to go from 3-8 to 7-5 or 8-4.
Posted by MastrShake
SoCal
Member since Nov 2008
7281 posts
Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:12 am to
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O crashed and burned to the tune of one of the worst records in SEC history!!
ive shown you over and over again that this is an outright lie, he doesnt even have one of the worst records in recent Ole Miss history, yet you continue to say it out of pure scare-tactic desperation.

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Talent no, development yes.
has arden key not developed? is the team not playing better than they were 6 weeks ago? is that not development?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:12 am to
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I would rather see LSU succeed with Coach O than fail with Jimbo or Herman.


LSU has almost no chance of succeeding under O long term. We will be 7-5 to 8-4 at best.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:12 am to
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Admitting you made a mistake doesn't automatically mean you know how to fix them.


Yet you're ready to conclude it's one and not the other.

This post was edited on 11/14/16 at 10:13 am
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
64587 posts
Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:14 am to
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mind blowing? seriously?


It is to me too. I honestly can't comprehend it.
Posted by oneg8rh8r
Port Ludlow, WA
Member since Dec 2003
2969 posts
Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:14 am to
Of which I want none on that list. Petri no is probably the best coach, but not the morals of the guy I want leading our men.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:14 am to
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Talent no, development yes.


what about the fact the team has played much better since CLM has been fired? You don't think he has anything to do with it? They are playing much smarter, more disciplined, executing better...is none of that development?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:15 am to
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he doesnt even have one of the worst records in recent Ole Miss history


Uh he won like 28% of his games. It's one of the worst records in SEC history.

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has arden key not developed? is the team not playing better than they were 6 weeks ago? is that not development?


Sure as long as you have an Aranda you'll see players on that side develop. He won't be around long at coordinators of that caliber are pretty rare. The offense is doing better just because what Miles was doing was SO bad. We've gone from a 30 year old offense to a 15 year old offense. Sure it looks better but all we've really done is tear up teams that can't stop the run.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70178 posts
Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:16 am to
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It is to me too. I honestly can't comprehend it.


so who is your guy? Must not be Herman
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
48943 posts
Posted on 11/14/16 at 10:17 am to
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I'm terrified about what direction the program would go and the message it would send if we were to keep a g

Not to bring politics in this but that's exactly what liberals are saying about Trump.

1. Can't understand how people think like this.
2. He has no experience.
3. There are better candidates,
4. How can someone with little knowledge be better than someone with tons of experience.
5. He can't succeed because others are better than him.

And lastly your fear of being terrified, just saying.
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