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Do great athletes make great coaches?

Posted on 12/21/10 at 6:06 pm
Posted by Uncommon Cents
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 6:06 pm
It looks like they don't. Other Spurrier, how many Heisman winners have gone on to great coaching careers? What about other outstanding players? It seems like mid level and marginal players make better coaches. Why do you think?
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 6:12 pm to
Sure Pat Sullivan. An look at O.J. er, wait.......
nevermind.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 6:13 pm to
Interesting topic.

They talk about this in Moneyball and how a guy like Ron Washington, who was a marginal to poor player was a great hitting coach because a lot of "superstars" just have natural ability that they cannot explain to others, whereas someone without great physical talent has to learn how to manufacture skills through practice/hard work.
Posted by tigersandjets
New Orleans
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 6:15 pm to
Do great coaches make great athletes?

No.
Posted by Slinger16
Not Louisiana
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 6:28 pm to
Does Ditka count?
Posted by Tees Bose N Rees
BR
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 6:33 pm to
have to be able to teach... its all about teaching


and if they can teach, send em to the Orleans Parish public schools system
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 7:02 pm to
Joe Torre has had a pretty good run
Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 7:04 pm to
quote:

Why do you think?



I think there is no correlation, positive or negative.
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 7:09 pm to
smart people with inspirational social skills make great coaches.
smart = scheme
social = recruiting

guys who are fast or strong make great athletes.

different requirements.
Posted by glassman
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 7:26 pm to
quote:

Do great athletes make great coaches?


Depends. Most good soccer coaches in Europe were great players. Depends on the sport.
This post was edited on 12/21/10 at 7:28 pm
Posted by Hair of the Dog
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 7:28 pm to
Les Miles was a better athlete than Nick Saban or Urban Meyer. Go figure.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 8:28 pm to
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It looks like they don't.


In football, it certainly is rare. Ditka had a Superbowl as a coach, following a HOF career as a player. Hard to see anybody matching that EVER. Without running down everybody's resume, how many All-Pro type players are head coaches at any level? Singletary and ??? Likewise in CFB - Spurrier is kind of the outlier. Harbaugh was third in the Heisman voting and led Schembechler's best team.

It seems much more common in Basketball, Baseball and Hockey.

Posted by glassman
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 8:29 pm to
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Ditka had a Superbowl as a coach,


Buddy Ryan.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 8:36 pm to
Brett Farve ---> Curley Hallman
Posted by CalTiger
California
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 8:36 pm to
This question can be answered with accuracy only if we know that all great athletes want to be coaches.

A lot of the great athletes make a tons of money and tend to retire or go on to do other things besides coaching. They might not want to deal with the incessant pressures of coaching at either level.

Posted by HonoraryCoonass
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 8:49 pm to
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A lot of the great athletes make a tons of money and tend to retire or go on to do other things besides coaching. They might not want to deal with the incessant pressures of coaching at either level.


Yes. Plus, there are tons more marginal players in the world than there are great players, anyway. The pool of job applicants is going to be overwhelmingly ex-marginal players.

John Wooden has to be the absolute best example of a GREAT player who became a GREAT coach. Hall of Famer for each.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 8:51 pm to
quote:

A lot of the great athletes make a tons of money and tend to retire or go on to do other things besides coaching. They might not want to deal with the incessant pressures of coaching at either level.



This is certainly true -especially when you consider QBs, out of the offensive position groups, are probably some of the best suited guys (by experience) to be coaches, but are generally the highest compensated, and have longer careers than RBs or OL. Defensively, LBs and DBs tend to drift into coaching, more so than DL.

However, another part of it is - guys who end up coaching start coaching pretty quickly, which necessarily means their playing career ended soon through injury, choice or lack of competitiveness or some combination.

A simple comparison - Bill Belichick played for Wesleyan, started coaching at 22,was a position coach in the NFL at 25, and a defensive coordinator at 33. Tom Brady played for Michigan, won 3 Superbowls, named All-Pro 5 times. If he suffered a career ending injury in practice tomorrow - he would be over 40 by the time he has the same coaching experience Belichick had at 33.

So, I guess the solution is - great athletes play and guys who go into coaching aren't great athletes to begin with, generally (at least in football).

Posted by tigerclaw10
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:37 pm to
IMO its because the marginal players have more love for the game and study it harder than talented players who just go do what coaches say and use their talent to win the games. The marginal players study the game harder but dont have the talent to be great. There are exceptions but lots of back ups tend to coach and it seems to be smarter players that the most watch film the most like qbs that coach.
Posted by CalTiger
California
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 10:22 pm to
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IMO its because the marginal players have more love for the game and study it harder than talented players who just go do what coaches say and use their talent to win the games.


I am sorry but that is unsubstantiated BS. There is this overwhelming love for Rocky because there is this tendency to think that an underdog has more love for the game than the top dog and hard work will eventually overcome any lack of talent.

There are as many marginal players who remain marginal because they refuse to work harder as there are talented folks who fail because they refuse to work harder.


Talented people realize that they have to work hard too and maintain a certain level otherwise they too will fail in this ultra-competitive world and tend to be shunned and shunted pretty quickly.

Peyton Manning is one of the most talented and best QBs in the game - are you saying that his love for the game is any less than that of a 3rd string safety or that he is any less smart than a backup DB!!!!!

There is no substitute for hard work but it is naive (and movie plot like) to assume that in real life only the less talented tend to do the hard work and be smarter because the real talents tend to just slide by.

Posted by glassman
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Posted on 12/21/10 at 10:50 pm to
quote:

John Wooden has to be the absolute best example of a GREAT player who became a GREAT coach. Hall of Famer for each.


Johan Cruyf and Wooden are the best examples I can conceive.
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