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DJ Mangas has not left LSU yet; Munoz also still a PGC candidate
Posted on 1/28/20 at 8:39 am
Posted on 1/28/20 at 8:39 am
Is he perhaps a candidate for the PGC?
It was assumed he would follow Brady to Carolina, but the Panthers' coaching staff is quickly filling up with no mention of him.
If he does go, it appears it will be a low-level position similar to what Brady had in New Orleans.
Orgeron said yesterday on the radio that they haven't even started interviewing candidates yet, and would start next week. He also said Munoz is still a candidate and could be brought back.
I assume since Mangas has not been announced to Carolina yet, that his name is in the hat for the job and he is waiting that out.
Panthers' hires
It was assumed he would follow Brady to Carolina, but the Panthers' coaching staff is quickly filling up with no mention of him.
If he does go, it appears it will be a low-level position similar to what Brady had in New Orleans.
Orgeron said yesterday on the radio that they haven't even started interviewing candidates yet, and would start next week. He also said Munoz is still a candidate and could be brought back.
I assume since Mangas has not been announced to Carolina yet, that his name is in the hat for the job and he is waiting that out.
Panthers' hires
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Panthers coaching staff tracker
Jan. 24, 2020: Rhule is expected to hire Pat Meyer as offensive line coach and Jason Simmons as secondary coach. Source: Field Yates, Twitter
Jan. 20, 2020: Rhule is expected to hire Frank Okam as an assistant defensive line coach. Okam worked with Rhule at Baylor. Source: David Smoak, Twitter
Jan. 17, 2020: Rhule is expected to hire Phil Snow as defensive coordinator, Frisman Jackson as wide receivers coach and Evan Cooper as cornerbacks coach. Source: David Smoak, Twitter
Jan. 16, 2020: Rhule has interviewed Ben McAdoo and is expected to interview Mike McCoy for the quarterbacks coach position, and could also hire a passing game coordinator. Source: Joe Person, Twitter
Jan. 16, 2020: Rhule is expected to hire Al Holcomb as the team’s defensive run game coordinator. Source: Adam Schefter, Twitter
Jan. 16, 2020: The Panthers have announced Joe Brady as the team’s offensive coordinator. Source: Carolina Panthers, Twitter
Jan 14, 2020: Rhule is expected to hire Joe Brady as his offensive coordinator.
Jan 13, 2020: Rhule is expected to hire Mike Phair as defensive line coach. Source: Stephen Holder, Twitter
Jan 13, 2020: Rhule is expected to retain Chase Blackburn as special teams coordinator. Source: Joe Person, Twitter
Jan 11, 2020: Rhule is expected to hire Kevin Gilbride as tight ends coach and Pat Flaherty as offensive line coach. Source: Alex Marvez, Twitter
Jan. 11, 2020: Rhule has interviewed Chase Blackburn for the special teams coordinator position, which he held for the last two years under Ron Rivera. Source: Alex Marvez, Twitter
Jan. 10, 2020: Rhule is rumored to want LSU passing game coordinator Joe Brady as his offensive coordinator in Carolina. Source: Scott Roussel, Football Scoop
Jan. 9, 2020: Rhule is expected to bring Baylor defensive coordinator Phil Snow and linebackers coach Mike Siravo to the Panthers. They would have the same roles in Carolina as they did at Baylor. Source: Joe Person, Twitter
Jan. 8, 2020: The Panthers host an introductory press conference for new head coach Matt Rhule at the practice bubble at Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte, N.C.
Jan. 7, 2020: The Panthers have hired former Baylor Bears head coach Matt Rhule as the fifth full-time head coach in franchise history.
Dec. 3, 2019: The Panthers have parted ways with Ron Rivera.
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Posted on 1/28/20 at 8:43 am to Bjorn Cyborg
What is PGC?
Posted on 1/28/20 at 8:44 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
PGC = Passing Game Coordinator
Posted on 1/28/20 at 8:44 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
Passing game coordinator
Posted on 1/28/20 at 8:54 am to CottonWasKing
I'm sure he's learned a lot since he was brought in last February. But the last time Mangas ran an offense, it averaged 13 points one year and 15 the next.
I understand that he wouldn't have total control, but just because he had an association with Joe Brady doesn't mean he's the answer.
I understand that he wouldn't have total control, but just because he had an association with Joe Brady doesn't mean he's the answer.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:05 am to ProjectP2294
I'm certainly not defending him, because I don't know much about him. But there are a lot of variables.
Did he have complete control of the offense?
Did the head coach dictate scheme and system?
What was the talent level, compared to the competition?
The fact that he was at LSU from day 1 as a WR analyst/offensive assistant implementing the offense and in the booth with the play-callers, should carry some weight.
However, Ensminger and Orgeron were around him every day. They know his talent and capabilities better than anyone.
Did he have complete control of the offense?
Did the head coach dictate scheme and system?
What was the talent level, compared to the competition?
The fact that he was at LSU from day 1 as a WR analyst/offensive assistant implementing the offense and in the booth with the play-callers, should carry some weight.
However, Ensminger and Orgeron were around him every day. They know his talent and capabilities better than anyone.
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 9:06 am
Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:17 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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The fact that he was at LSU from day 1 as a WR analyst/offensive assistant implementing the offense and in the booth with the play-callers, should carry some weight.
I get that there are other variables. Brady brought him in early as an analyst because he knew he could get him as an analyst. But when Brady's resources expanded and available talent pool expanded, he didn't bring him in. That's telling to me.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:39 am to Bjorn Cyborg
I’d be all in on promoting Mangas, wonder if he’d be reluctant to recruit after seeing the toll it took on Brady last spring.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:51 am to ProjectP2294
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But when Brady's resources expanded and available talent pool expanded, he didn't bring him in. That's telling to me.
It doesn't look like they've made any offensive staff hires other than Brady and an offensive line coach. We have no idea how Carolina is prioritizing staff hires. Also, it's a pretty big leap to assume he's not a capable coach just because Brady doesn't hire him (IF Brady doesn't hire him).
Do you know how much input/autonomy Brady even has on staff hires? I'm sure he has input, but I highly doubt he's just picking and choosing whoever he wants to fill spots.
It's possible, since Brady is so young, that Rhule wants to bring in more veteran assistants to fill out the staff and create something more like what Brady had at LSU.
Bottom line is, we don't know shite, and nothing Carolina has done with their hiring so far is "telling" about Mangus' coaching ability.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:58 am to whitefoot
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Do you know how much input/autonomy Brady even has on staff hires?
Part of his deal with Carolina is that he gets to hire his offensive staff.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 10:32 am to whitefoot
Check the link above. The entire offensive staff has almost been hired, outside of the lower level quality control type positions.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 10:43 am to ProjectP2294
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But when Brady's resources expanded and available talent pool expanded, he didn't bring him in. That's telling to me.
I would think that is a pretty hard sell to add a guy like Mangas as an nfl position coach.
Could prob get him in a quality control role but that’s likely a pay cut from whatever his next college job is.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 11:05 am to Lester Earl
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Could prob get him in a quality control role
This is the role I assumed.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 11:15 am to ProjectP2294
Elevate Mangas and be done with it
Munoz is not coming back
Munoz is not coming back
Posted on 1/28/20 at 5:27 pm to nicholastiger
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Elevate Mangas and be done with it
Munoz is not coming back
Cause he knew Joe brady? Anyone who he touched must be great like McVay last year. Left alone Mangas and Munoz created some of the worst offenses in football. Combining either with a dinosaur and saying just do what your buddy was doing ain't it.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 6:18 pm to Maximus
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Cause he knew Joe brady? Anyone who he touched must be great like McVay last year. Left alone Mangas and Munoz created some of the worst offenses in football. Combining either with a dinosaur and saying just do what your buddy was doing ain't it.
Both of these dudes got fired at their last job. Now the Rant thinks we can’t live without them.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:06 pm to ProjectP2294
I can find articles or Twitter posts just a month ago among NFL types that thought that hiring Brady as an OC was too much, too soon.
Is it really a stretch to think that DJ Magnas, despite his history with Brady, really just isn't ready to make a jump to the NFL?
I mean, people in this thread are seriously, and rightly so, questioning if he's ready to be our passing game coordinator (I do think it's much more reasonable to think he could be ready for a promotion into that sort of slot, as opposed to joining an NFL staff).
Is it really a stretch to think that DJ Magnas, despite his history with Brady, really just isn't ready to make a jump to the NFL?
I mean, people in this thread are seriously, and rightly so, questioning if he's ready to be our passing game coordinator (I do think it's much more reasonable to think he could be ready for a promotion into that sort of slot, as opposed to joining an NFL staff).
Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:11 pm to ffhouston
Also Rhule has to be careful about bringing too many college guys to the NFL at once.
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