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re: Could Saban really have the same success at Texas?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:07 pm to molsusports
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:07 pm to molsusports
quote:I will give you an example you can understand, LSU baseball. If LSU baseball falls off for about 6 or so years, they would be able to revive with a good hire far easier than Bama simply because they are a major name in baseball.
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Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:08 pm to MontyFranklyn
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So one title in 91 is dominant?
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One title in 81 is dominant?
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One title in 60 something is dominant?
i'll give you credit, at least you're using dominant and dominate right correctly in this thread
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:08 pm to genro
Those coaches made Bama a great program not the other way around. Those coaches would've done very well anywhere they went.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:09 pm to MontyFranklyn
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If LSU baseball falls off for about 6 or so years, they would be able to revive with a good hire far easier than Bama simply because they are a major name in baseball.
that's only because our prior success pushed money into booster programs and facilities
plus we are a state that produces a lot of talent in the sport, in a region that does the same
it's nothing special about LSU...it's just a matter of circumstance/luck
This post was edited on 12/15/13 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:10 pm to St Augustine
quote:Agreed. Wallace Wade first made Bama elite in the 1920s.
Those coaches made Bama a great program not the other way around.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:11 pm to ForeLSU
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Had Saban not been desperate to get out of the NFL, Bama would have gone from Shula to Jim Grobe to who knows a few years after that
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:15 pm to genro
Now we're the undisputed GOAT
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:wow....cutting off your nose to spite the face.
it's nothing special about LSU...it's just a matter of circumstance/luck
quote:Well why isn't Bama a great storied program?
plus we are a state that produces a lot of talent in the sport, in a region that does the same
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:20 pm to MontyFranklyn
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wow....cutting off your nose to spite the face.
it's called being a rational thinker
we happened to become great when the sport got semi-popular PLUS our football team sucked so money flowed into the program
college baseball is a niche sport. very few other programs invest in that niche sport at the same rate for the above luck/circumstance
that's typically how success occurs. you provide the right product (which you control) at the right time (which is luck)
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Well why isn't Bama a great storied program?
where did i argue that Bama wasn't "storied"? you're moving the goalposts
Bama is very storied and has one of, if not the, best historical resume. nobody is arguing that
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:20 pm to MontyFranklyn
Let's look at it by decade.
1920s - best program in the country
1930s - best program in the country
1940s - elite, one of the best programs
1950s - sucked
1960s - best program in the country
1970s - best program in the country
1980s - above average
1990s - elite, one of the best programs
2000s - sucked until the end, then became elite
2010s - best program in the country
No one has a history approaching that. Is it something in the water in Tuscaloosa?
1920s - best program in the country
1930s - best program in the country
1940s - elite, one of the best programs
1950s - sucked
1960s - best program in the country
1970s - best program in the country
1980s - above average
1990s - elite, one of the best programs
2000s - sucked until the end, then became elite
2010s - best program in the country
No one has a history approaching that. Is it something in the water in Tuscaloosa?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:21 pm to MontyFranklyn
I have seen a comment from a USCw fan about Orgeron last week about where he might go after USCw and their thought was Coach Ed is probable better suited for some small southern school. The national perspective is the SEC is still just a bunch of southern schools. It is this perception that keeps the likes of USCw and The Ohio State and Meeechigan in the top tier of nationally recognized colleges.
This post was edited on 12/15/13 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:22 pm to genro
quote:I would put is as above average in the 90s as well
1920s - best program in the country
1930s - best program in the country
1940s - elite, one of the best programs
1950s - sucked
1960s - best program in the country
1970s - best program in the country
1980s - above average
1990s - elite, one of the best programs
2000s - sucked until the end, then became elite
2010s - best program in the country
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:25 pm to themunch
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It is this perception that keeps the likes of USCw and The Ohio State and Meeechigan in the top tier of nationally recognized colleges.
plus never forget the distribution of graduates from elite schools. the Big10 churns out graduates from elite schools who get to populate the professional ranks of every major metro area
plus they dominate the media and that influences perception
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:25 pm to themunch
quote:Because of their name. Its the Heisman's, the titles, the AAs and etc. All of which makes up the storied success, which enriches the name of the program.
It is this perception that keeps the likes of USCw and The Ohio State and Meeechigan in the top tier of nationally recognized colleges.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:25 pm to MontyFranklyn
IMO the second best program in the country of the 90s was Florida. We were the only team in the conference that could challenge them. We got a Natty, a couple SEC titles, and finished top 10 several times. I'd say Bama was a top 5 program in the 90s
This post was edited on 12/15/13 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:26 pm to genro
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IMO the best program in the country of the 90s was Florida.
FSU or Nebraska
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yeah I edited
I was gonna say the SEC then changed my mind and screwed up
I was gonna say the SEC then changed my mind and screwed up
This post was edited on 12/15/13 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:44 pm to MontyFranklyn
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They aren't historically dominant you jack arse! Winning 3 straight in the 30s is not historically dominant. Historical dominance is having significant success through out several decades, not when a country is impoverished and decimated. Jesus you are stupid
good let the melt flow through you
the point is obvious. it isn't about historical success. It is about present coaching and present circumstances such as recruiting and facilities.
Take some great historical programs like Notre Dame, Michigan, Southern Cal and Alabama and the point is the same. Alabama between Saban and Stallings was nothing worth mentioning. Notre Dame after Holtz departed became a punch line. Michigan at the end of the Carr era and through Rich Rod (and perhaps Hoke now) is not relevant. Southern Cal went through a bad 90s in spite of their program's enormous prestige and intrinsic advantages because of poor coaching. Carroll goes there as a superior recruiter and turns all that around.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:49 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Is his success due to him being at Alabama?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:This is so tired.
look at what we did with a retard for a HC
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