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re: Could Saban really have the same success at Texas?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:They didn't just get the talent and money though. They have had both for decades
just like UT has more money and more local talent than Alabama,
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Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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did i ever say Bama wasn't a national program during Bryant's tenure? that was decades ago
Yes. you implied that Bama is only popular now. They were popular before. Many times over. And your sweeping statement that only Alabama fans care about the titles is pure and utter bullshite.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:51 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Show me where he was able to do the same thing so fast previous to Bama.
we had a rebuilding year then won the SEC while he was at LSU. we were in much worse shape, talent-wise than Bama
he won a natty and 2 SEC titles in 4 years. that's not exactly average
he won as many SEC titles at LSU that he has at Bama, correcto?
plus LSU 2005-2007 was fricking STACKED. look at what we did with a retard for a HC
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:51 pm to MontyFranklyn
I personally think Saban can do it anywhere he went. (Big school). Probably some meaningless pros/cons between Bama, TX, Notre Dame, USC, etc but he is the greatest college coach of our lifetime. To think he couldn't be on top at a similar big time school is just blind homerism.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:52 pm to MontyFranklyn
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They didn't just get the talent and money though. They have had both for decades
but they haven't had a coach like Saban
Saban + school with resources = domination
there are plenty of schools with resources. i listed about 20-25 earlier. there is nothing special about Alabama
they are in the elite, but one of the elite. what separates them is Nicholas Lou "Nick" Saban
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:53 pm to Kcoyote
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Yes. you implied that Bama is only popular now.
no, i clearly was talking about approximately the decade prior to Saban taking over. go back to my initial comments
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And your sweeping statement that only Alabama fans care about the titles is pure and utter bullshite.
not really
maybe Auburn fans, but they're off fricking sheep to occupy their time
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:54 pm to molsusports
quote:How did you take that from my post? Some posters on here have horrible reading comprehension skills.
Don't try and change this argument from your earlier argument that "prior program success predicts future outcomes" to "every program has the same advantage"
My argument is that historically dominant programs, in what ever sport, can do it revive easier than others. Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Alabama was arguably the greatest CFB program in history, pre-Saban. Top 3 without question.
there is nothing special about Alabama
Now we're the undisputed GOAT but to say the only thing special about Bama is Saban is fricking retarded
This post was edited on 12/15/13 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
I wish Nick Saban himself would hear Bama fans say that he couldn't replicate his success anywhere else. "Only at Bama can he succeed," they say.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Show me where he was able to do the same thing so fast previous to Bama.
we had a rebuilding year then won the SEC while he was at LSU. we were in much worse shape, talent-wise than Bama
he won a natty and 2 SEC titles in 4 years. that's not exactly average
he won as many SEC titles at LSU that he has at Bama, correcto?
plus LSU 2005-2007 was fricking STACKED. look at what we did with a retard for a HC
LSU was sporting repeat recruiting championships when Saban took off. Bama fans look at their present recruiting success since Saban got there and somehow conclude it is because they are Bama.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:57 pm to MontyFranklyn
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My argument is that historically dominant programs, in what ever sport, can do it revive easier than others.
it's not the fact that they're historically dominant
it's why they were historically dominant in the first place
this is why Minnesota, Princeton, Harvard, etc will never be dominant again. Ever.
this is why programs of the confederacy and those in large urban areas can rise quickly.
it's about talent. hell even Mack Brown had a dominant run b/c he could recruit like a motherfricker back in the day (before RP and Bratnley broke his heart)
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:They never have because they aren't as glamorous as you all make them out to be. They have had mediocre coaches for the longest because that is all they can get apparently. Why didn't they go out and steal a huge name like Bowden, Spurrier, Carr or whomever when the hired Mack?
but they haven't had a coach like Saban
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:59 pm to MontyFranklyn
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My argument is that historically dominant programs, in what ever sport, can do it revive easier than others.
That's a separately stupid argument. You can't go to Minnesota and revive that program easily just because they were once a national powerhouse. The kids being recruited don't give a shite about success from before they were alive. If they did more would go to Washington than Oregon, UGA than FSU, Arkansas than Texas A&M etc
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:59 pm to genro
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Alabama was arguably the greatest CFB program in history, pre-Saban. Top 3 without question.
from success multiple decades prior to Saban
and why did they have that success? an AMAZING head coach who dominated his era
again, there is nothing special about Alabama
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but to say the only thing special about Bama is Saban is fricking retarded
other than hiring Saban or Bear Bryant, tell me what is so special about Alabama
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:00 pm to MontyFranklyn
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They never have because they aren't as glamorous as you all make them out to be. They have had mediocre coaches for the longest because that is all they can get apparently.
Had Saban not been desperate to get out of the NFL, Bama would have gone from Shula to Jim Grobe to who knows a few years after thatPosted on 12/15/13 at 4:00 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Why didn't they go out and steal a huge name like Bowden, Spurrier, Carr or whomever when the hired Mack?
Mack was a big name at the time
he recruited like a motherfricker and made UNC a beast of a program for a couple years
Bowden and Spurrier weren't leaving.
and Carr? Lloyd Carr, or am i missing something?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:01 pm to molsusports
quote:They aren't historically dominant you jack arse! Winning 3 straight in the 30s is not historically dominant. Historical dominance is having significant success through out several decades, not when a country is impoverished and decimated. Jesus you are stupid
ou can't go to Minnesota and revive that program easily just because they were once a national powerhouse.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:03 pm to ForeLSU
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Had Saban not been desperate to get out of the NFL, Bama would have gone from Shula to Jim Grobe to who knows a few years after that
seriously if it's all Alabama, why did they ever slide? why did they suck dick under Shula?
why did they get stuck hiring Shula in the first place?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Gene Stallings, Frank Thomas, Wallace Wade
other than hiring Saban or Bear Bryant, tell me what is so special about Alabama
We have 5 HOF coaches, not 2.
Even our shitty coaches aren't that shitty.
DuBose won an SEC title. Curry and Shula each had multiple 10-win seasons. Fran had a 10-win season for God's sake.
The real truth is that other than a 6-year period of NCAA sanctions, and a bad stretch in the early 50s, Bama has always been elite. Always.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 4:05 pm to molsusports
quote:So one title in 91 is dominant?
If they did more would go to Washington
quote:One title in 81 is dominant?
UGA
quote:One title in 60 something is dominant?
Arkansas
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