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re: Changes at LSU, Texas, Oregon show teams' changing priorities
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:38 pm to wildtigercat93
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:38 pm to wildtigercat93
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We are stuck with him. He will coast for 3 years bc its "Miles team"
Even more than that, it'll never be his fault because the OC/DC will always be the scapegoats. And he's from LA, so he may retire from here, record be damned.
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:51 pm to SportTiger1
Orgeron= Jeff fisher of college? 
Posted on 11/30/16 at 5:00 pm to CBandits82
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Pretty terrible article.
FIFY
on LSU - Inaccuracy after inaccuracy on what happened.
on Texas - Lmfao Charlie was 16-21 and the worst coach record wise in their history, while Herman was drooling over the job. Maisel is an idiot to call this a bad decision.
on Oregon - Just because you have a system of promoting within for 40 years, and you decide to go away from it, that's bad? Fresh blood is needed, the incestuous nature of hiring at Oregon got stale. PJ Fleck will revitalize that program with fresh energy and is a perfect fit for Oregon to become "cool" again.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 5:09 pm to j bro12
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So will O be held to the same standard? I highly doubt it.
I have no idea why you doubt it. He absolutely will.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 5:11 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
He will be held to a lower standard. He will be able to pull off 8 win seasons and have "support"
We won't make a change until Alleva is gone.
We won't make a change until Alleva is gone.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:24 pm to wildtigercat93
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He will be held to a lower standard. He will be able to pull off 8 win seasons and have "support"
We won't make a change until Alleva is gone.
Two eight win seasons, combined with continuing floods of people leaving early and the high cost of OC/DC who can constantly leverage LSU for bigger paydays will force Alleva out before 3 years, IMO.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:26 pm to CBandits82
Well maybe there's some merit in the idea of paying more for top coordinators and saving on the HC. I don't really love that idea but frankly I had little confidence in any of the realistic HC options being better than Saban anyway, and Saban is the only standard. So just as well have O until Saban retires.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:29 pm to CBandits82
I would even maybe be ok with a financial deephasis on football IF that money was somehow funneled into the academic side of the school and really bolstered LSU's academic credentials. But I know the athletic dept is separate and the school will still be broke. So goddam it, don't go cheap on football since it's the only thing the school will have to be proud of.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:33 pm to kdbroom
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Les Miles fielded a very competitive, talented team that represented the university well for over a decade. He just slipped from "elite" status into "above average" status at the end.
Les was 10-10 against the SEC West the last 3+ years.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:50 pm to atltiger6487
Mark Helfrich could have survived 4-8 this year. But not in combination with the off the field stuff that's happened within the past year. The AD alluded to that in his press conference the other night. To say Oregon is somehow looking for fresh blood or a change of philosophy is short sighted. There was a gradual change with Helfrich being hired. It was a decay on multiple levels.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:52 pm to atltiger6487
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Les was 10-10 against the SEC West the last 3+ years.
True, but that isn't "failure", and it cherry-picks the details that help tell the story you prefer. Why only look at SEC West games? Why not all SEC games? Why not all games? Why only look at the last three years? Why ignore the years when he won titles (BCS x1, SEC x2, SECW x3, bowl games x7)? He wasn't a failure.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:23 pm to kdbroom
I wasn't crazy about O getting a job like Lsu but I am holding out hope. Miles was very good at getting the talent in but he was stubborn snd too old school. O brings the same recruiting prowess and is willing to take less $ to ensure a top staff which is crucial. No coach is good without a good staff and good players. O is already making strides to go with a modern spread type of offense. He's has the confidence from a lot of coaches and former players. These ppl know football. They know coaching and are saying he has what it takes to get Lsu back to championship level. I'm starting to gain confidence. I really think he can do what dabo has done at Clemson. Recruit - motivate - hire great staff.. We know he can do first two. If he gets the hiring part down Lsu is gonna be just fine.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:55 pm to j bro12
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They didn't go out and hire a proven winner, the way that schools in the upper echelon of college football typically do.
facts do not support this. it sounds good tho.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:57 pm to CBandits82
I still haven't reached the acceptance stage.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 2:01 am to wildtigercat93
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You're already seeing the excuse with these recruits we are losing out on. "Oh that was Miles decision...O just didn't want them"
Now that Orgeron has been hired as the head coach, I'll support him and his staff, but your post is 100% true. I've seen those exact sentiments in several posts that past few days.
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Even though 1.) Orgeron promised he would keep this class together 2.) Orgeron has been recruiting for us for 2 years so they are "his guys"
This is true as well.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 2:58 am to Damone
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I still haven't reached the acceptance stage.
That does not change anything. The outside world and the folks whose opinions matter don't care about your acceptance stage or mine. Just hard cold facts there.
I was against the hire and felt Jimbo was worth the risk. But it is what it is. O is trying to sell the Dabo model of putting emphasis on hiring the best coordinators for top dollar while he does the recruiting, program managing and rah rah stuff. Let's see if it works.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 5:56 am to kdbroom
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Les was 10-10 against the SEC West the last 3+ years.
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True, but that isn't "failure", and it cherry-picks the details that help tell the story you prefer. Why only look at SEC West games?
Because the West is our primary competition. And I'm sorry, but 10-10, with our level of recruiting absolutely IS a failure.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 6:37 am to atltiger6487
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Because the West is our primary competition. And I'm sorry, but 10-10, with our level of recruiting absolutely IS a failure.
Its only a failure if you go out and hire a guy you know is better. We didnt.
And it's like you refuse to take in to context how good the sec west has been since 2011.
You and i both know why you stopped at 3 years.
This post was edited on 12/1/16 at 6:40 am
Posted on 12/1/16 at 6:48 am to Rickdaddy4188
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You and i both know why you stopped at 3 years.
Because the guy he responded to said this
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He just slipped from "elite" status into "above average" status at the end.
Why would he show stats from 7-8 years ago?
Posted on 12/1/16 at 6:59 am to Keeper (LSU)
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Public demand extended the LSU career of Les Miles for an entire four games into this season. That is NOT what happened.
sorry, the public doesn't need proof nor does it need the truth. their perception becomes fact in their brains and they then close their minds to any other info., even cold hard facts.
have you not been paying attention. rumors, allegations and name calling are now the rule of the day.
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