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Posted by ohieaux tiger
Columbus
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 11/20/07 at 11:35 am to
Sheek, yea its buzzing and its only Tuesday. Brian Kelly getting some press too but its more centered around Michigan tradition, Bo, etc.
Posted by Proejo
Dallas
Member since Oct 2007
5889 posts
Posted on 11/20/07 at 12:03 pm to
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Pelini is a defensive genius.


Really? Then explain the 466 yards and 25 1st down Ole Miss gained last week. Also, explain the 3 passing TD's from JPW at Bama.

Bill Arnsparger was a defensive genius. Pelini is top 20%, but no genius.
This post was edited on 11/20/07 at 12:06 pm
Posted by scubafeet
baton rouge, la
Member since Feb 2004
14285 posts
Posted on 11/20/07 at 12:09 pm to
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Anyways, I heard from an aTm fan that Spurrier has a deal in principle with aTm, but he will wait to see how the LSU job plays out before accepting the aTm gig. Any thoughts on this?


Heard he was with State Police last week IN BATON ROUGE for secret meeting. That is not another b.s. rumor either.


ALso, on Miles, remember this....

quote:

In December 2004, while in San Antonio ostensibly preparing his 7-4 OSU team to face Ohio State in the Alamo Bowl, Miles met with officials from LSU to interview for the Tigers' Head Coaching position. When questioned about his interest in that job, Miles denied meeting with LSU representatives and denied interest in the job. Nonetheless, days after his Cowboy team was routed 33-7 by Ohio State, Miles resigned to take the LSU job.

LINK

Posted by bushog
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2005
296 posts
Posted on 11/20/07 at 12:16 pm to
I don't think Les is leaving and this is what I am hoping for. Maybe an early Christmas present.

Pelini goes to Nebraska, Michigan Calls Les next week and makes a sweet offer. Les ays thanks but no thanks due to they want him now and Les wants to coach in the BCS Title game. Skip moves forward with a new contract before the big game. Tubby leaves for A+M and Muschamp returns and we go blitz crazy again.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 11/20/07 at 12:17 pm to
Can I just weigh in here?

He's gone, folks. He's not staying in a foreign state.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60763 posts
Posted on 11/20/07 at 12:43 pm to
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He's gone, folks. He's not staying in a foreign state.


for the 15 millionth time that is not the issue

we know he loves' michigan, its home etc, etc, etc,

is he such a slam dunk, right coach for them that he is the only guy they go after? I doubt it
Posted by bushog
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2005
296 posts
Posted on 11/20/07 at 12:46 pm to
I would not be suprised if the never even offer him the job.
Posted by ohieaux tiger
Columbus
Member since Nov 2007
33 posts
Posted on 11/20/07 at 12:48 pm to
H-Town, you're right. No, he's not a slam dunk right coach for them but obviously Michigan and especially their fans want him and he seems to have reciprocating feelings towards UM. Check out this piece from Michigan's AD...From Det Freepress

But now that the search is on, Martin made it clear that he will investigate his primary coaching candidates as thoroughly as the White House would a Cabinet appointee. He has watched news conferences, to see how coaches handle the thrust and parry of media interrogation. He has promised a meticulous background scrutiny.

"I want to know how many driving-under-the-influence (citations) a potential coach has had," he said. "I want to know if he's a deadbeat in terms of paying his bills. I want to know anything that is a pattern in terms of past behavior that could be an embarrassment to Michigan."

Is it necessary for such a painstaking search process when there's possibly only one guy on the list?

"Martin declined to comment on whether LSU coach -- and, more important, Michigan alum -- Les Miles is a candidate. It's a delicate situation. U-M's reputation would endure a devastating hit if seen tampering with another team's coach, particularly if that team sits on the verge of a possible national championship."
This post was edited on 11/20/07 at 12:51 pm
Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
37592 posts
Posted on 11/20/07 at 12:49 pm to
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I would not be suprised if the never even offer him the job.


Who McConnell?
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 11/20/07 at 12:50 pm to
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is he such a slam dunk, right coach for them that he is the only guy they go after? I doubt it


He just may be the first
Posted by bushog
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2005
296 posts
Posted on 11/20/07 at 12:52 pm to
Les, I would not be suprised if they do not offer Les. Then again, it would not be a shocker if he is offered.
Posted by ffhouston
The Woodlands
Member since Sep 2007
4028 posts
Posted on 11/20/07 at 12:58 pm to
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food for thought


Indeed.

Not trying to be a playa hater, but is a guy who cannot pronounce "Arkansas" correctly what Bill Martin has in mind as "the face" of the University of Michigan?

If he's smart, and I have no reason to think he isn't, Michigan will make a run at a couple of folks in the near term (see Rich Rodriguez and Alabama).

If that fails, calling Miles to come home after Jan. 7 is a nice fail-safe (see Nick Saban and Alabama). Surely Miles won't say no to Michigan under those circumstances; he'd have the next 10-15 years as Michigan head coach to get over any "hurt feelings" he may have, short-term, at being their second choice (though he *was* a fallback choice at LSU as well).
Posted by bayoubreeze
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2005
1038 posts
Posted on 11/20/07 at 1:09 pm to
Good post Houston, I hope that is how it plays out, it also explains why Bertman is showing his hand that he will pay up to 4 mil to keep Miles.

Good thing oil is $90 a barrel!
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 11/20/07 at 1:16 pm to
I honestly think dennis green should get the minority interview.
Posted by cheapseat
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2004
6288 posts
Posted on 11/20/07 at 1:22 pm to
Posted by Tigrus Maximus
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2007
623 posts
Posted on 11/20/07 at 1:24 pm to
Then again, Michigan can always pull what NY did to Torre, and offer Les like 1.5M when he stands to make over 3M if he stays. They can please the fan base by saying that they offered Miles, but satisfy their desire to have someone other than Miles. Then it comes down to Miles taking a paycut to go home. Not sure if he wants to do that. He might see it as a slap in the face to at least not match LSU's offer to keep him here.
Posted by shrevetigertom
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2005
4456 posts
Posted on 11/20/07 at 2:28 pm to
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Les, I would not be suprised if they do not offer Les. Then again, it would not be a shocker if he is offered

Brilliant analysis.
Posted by ffhouston
The Woodlands
Member since Sep 2007
4028 posts
Posted on 11/20/07 at 2:56 pm to
Pat Forde's comments today are interesting, to say the least:

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Coaching Chaos: Michigan Dept.
Lloyd Carr (2) made a point of saying that his Monday retirement announcement was solely to benefit the school he was leaving, Michigan. One thing is certain: it wasn't done to benefit Les Miles (3).

The Dash doesn't know what Carr thinks of Miles -- whether he'd like him to be his successor or not -- but he clearly did the LSU coach no favors by announcing his retirement less than 48 hours after the Nov. 17 end of the Wolverines' regular season. Miles now has conflicting personal dreams competing for his heart and mind -- conceivably for the next seven weeks.

This is Miles' To-Do List from now until Jan. 8:

• Beat Arkansas Friday.

• Beat whoever wins the SEC East in the league title game Dec. 1.

• Recruit for a couple of weeks in December -- for someone.

• Win the national title.

• Stonewall daily (perhaps hourly, maybe minutely) questions about Michigan.

It could be the longest and most awkward seven weeks of Miles' life. Remember the Billy Donovan-Kentucky basketball flirtation that went down this past spring? That was a mere two weeks long, and it seemed like it lasted forever.

Les Miles could be facing an awkward time.

Now here's Miles in an even tougher spot, with a potential job he has reason to want more than Donovan ever could have wanted Kentucky. Because Michigan is in Miles' blood. A better basketball comparison would be Roy Williams' having to stave off rampant speculation that he was leaving Kansas for alma mater North Carolina during the 2003 NCAA Tournament.

That pressure eventually drove Williams to cuss at Bonnie Bernstein (4) on live national television. Let's hope Les keeps it civil with all sideline reporters between now and decision day.

(Miles already has earned Dash points for not pulling a Nick Saban (5). He hasn't repeatedly and bellicosely denied any interest in a job he might end up taking.)

The only thing that could quickly stop the madness would be a definitive declaration by Miles that he's not interested (not likely) or a definitive move by Michigan toward other candidates. And even if Michigan favors other candidates, ignoring an alum who is ranked No. 1 in the country would be dicey PR.

So this topic isn't going away. And even more than waiting out a basketball coaching move during the NCAA Tournament, a seven-week churn without a coach down the home stretch of the football recruiting period would be truly difficult.

What if you're LSU? Do you sit back and wait for Michigan to poach your coach? A source told The Dash Monday that LSU is working to sweeten Miles' deal and might present him with an enhanced contract after the SEC title game. But if Miles isn't interested in a better deal and seems intent on leaving, what do you do?

"I'd have to let him go and move on before the bowl," said one prominent athletic director Monday.

Could it come to this: Miles communicates to Michigan through channels that he'll come, but not until after Jan. 7. LSU athletic director Skip Bertman (6) pulls a Bo Schembechler (7) when Bill Frieder wanted to leave for Arizona State after the 1989 NCAA Tournament and declares "I want an LSU man coaching LSU," releases Miles and promotes, say, defensive coordinator Bo Pelini (8) to coach the Tigers for the national title game? Unless, of course, Pelini is already the coach at Nebraska by then?

LSU dealt once with having a lame-duck head coach in a bowl game, when Saban's last Tigers team lost to Iowa in the 2005 Capital One Bowl. By all accounts that's not a road the school would like to travel again.

So pulling a Schembechler could be the avenue of last resort...


Is Pat Forde playing cute w/ the way he's worded this piece, so as to suggest no direct connection among some of his comments? In other words, is the "source" and the "prominent athletic director" one and the same?
This post was edited on 11/20/07 at 2:57 pm
Posted by ThePenIsMightier
Member since Jul 2006
9083 posts
Posted on 11/20/07 at 3:08 pm to
Imagine this scenario:

LSU's season goes south and they end up in the Capital One Bowl...

Our opponent - Michigan.
Posted by geaux75
Member since Sep 2003
58 posts
Posted on 11/20/07 at 3:11 pm to
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"I want to know how many driving-under-the-influence (citations) a potential coach has had


I guess Ericsson can withdraw his resume.

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