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bstew3006
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re: Arnett was not offered the job.
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LSU has hired two coaches on offense and is in the middle of interviews for defensive coordinator,

Not sure what other schools have to do with the situation.

Alabama hired an unemployed coach, and Sark hired a couple position coaches.

I don’t see the relevancy.


Once again, CEO knew he had to replace his DC in mid November at the latest. O’Brien being unemployed is irrelevant. You say Saban possibly spoke with him for weeks...ok, so wtf has CEO been doing for over 2 months on the DC search? The relevancy is those two coaches, have been coaching in the CFP and still able to hire position coaches (at a different university) and coordinators in a matter of 2-3 weeks. while CEO in over 2 months....

Well, according to you “literally interviewing every hot young coordinator”. But no one close to program has suggested that. In fact, they’ve all said they aren’t sure who he has targeted after Freeman and some suggested, like I did, there wasn’t a clear plan B.

If he was waiting on “his guy”...Freeman, fine. But not having a clear #2 or #3 is what’s puzzling after all this time. That’s the point.
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Bjorn Cyborg
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What do you think that extra time was supposed to accomplish?

If Freeman was his top choice, and wanted to wait, should he have passed?

There is no time crunch. Why are you in such a hurry?
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bstew3006
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What do you think that extra time was supposed to accomplish


If he was waiting on “his guy”...Freeman, fine. But not having a clear #2 or #3 is what’s puzzling after all this time. That’s the point.

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If Freeman was his top choice, and wanted to wait, should he have passed?


If he was waiting on “his guy”...Freeman, fine. But not having a clear #2 or #3 is what’s puzzling after all this time. That’s the point.

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There is no time crunch. Why are you in such a hurry?


Hurry? Gah damn, you act like the DC search started jan 1st
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Bjorn Cyborg
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re: Arnett was not offered the job.
How do you know there’s no 2 or 3?

Seems Arnett and Nielsen are 2 and 3 in some order.

And Dec 1, Jan 1, Feb 1, why does it matter? It’s not a race.


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But hiring a coach is different. Saban hired a guy who was unemployed. They’ve likely been talking for weeks.

Orgeron is doing the exact thing you morons accused him of NOT doing when he hired Pelini.

He’s LITERALLY interviewing all the hot young coordinators in the country.
nail, meet head.

Each of those 3 statements could stand on their own. Together they are no less spot on.


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bstew3006
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How do you know there’s no 2 or 3?

Seems Arnett and Nielsen are 2 and 3 in some order.

And Dec 1, Jan 1, Feb 1, why does it matter? It’s not a race.



Listen to Scone from yesterday...really sums up my position over the last few weeks on the search and timeline . It’s about 4-5min. Start at 6:30 Mark runs to 10:45

AFR with Moscona
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Bjorn Cyborg
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Your main problem is you are parroting talk radio hosts.

You are trying to create some issue that doesn't exist.

You, like Moscona, are taking snippets and turning them into factual situations.

They wanted Freeman and interviewed him within days of his season ending. I'm sure they had been talking to him for a while and felt good about it. I'm sure Arnett, Nielsen, and others were their potential Plan B, Plan C, Plan D.

They failed to hire Freeman. It happens. Human beings have free will and can choose to live and work where they want.

They are moving on to their other choices. A few weeks are not a big deal, when players are just working out and school just started. The most important thing is to make a good hire. There is no reason to cut corners and make a rushed hire.



misey94
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Your main problem is you are parroting talk radio hosts. You are trying to create some issue that doesn't exist. You, like Moscona, are taking snippets and turning them into factual situations.


Echo. Chamber.


Bjorn Cyborg
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This dude's only complaint is that it's taking too long.

He is personally fricking insulted that Ed Orgeron is keeping him waiting. He's got shite to do, you see.

This hire needs to get D-O-N-E, because he's burning up all his prepaid Cricket Wireless minutes checking this board all the time.


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bstew3006
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Your main problem is you are parroting talk radio hosts. You are trying to create some issue that doesn't exist. You, like Moscona, are taking snippets and turning them into factual situations.




I don't live in area that broadcast his show, I just happened to come across it last night and sums up my position. Which is, CEO has known since Early November this hire would be made and not one fkn person would say hiring someone in Mid January would be a "RUSHED" hire, but you keep going to that.

You don't have a damn clue anymore than I do with your "assume/probably/I'm sure/most likely" comments as though they are absolutes and everyone needs to CHILL THE FK OUT...but for some reason, my position, triggers the fk out of you to the point of saying...what was it, I work in a Plant and now burning up my Cricket wireless minutes checking this board all the time...yet you respond pretty damn quickly

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I'm sure Arnett, Nielsen, and others were their potential Plan B, Plan C, Plan D.


Well, He just interviewed Arnett and by all reports, wasn't offered the job. So, once again, given the timeline...getting all the vetting and ducks in a row since early November, Ed just found out his Plan B wasn't good enough for an offer.

Only one looking upset is you...maybe you should step away from the keyboard for a little bit
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misey94
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You don't have a damn clue anymore than I do


There you go with the truth. No one on this site knows anything.


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Bjorn Cyborg
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Other that it not fitting your timeline, there is no significant benefit to hiring a coach on January 1 vs. January 15, or even February 1.

Recruiting is basically done, spring football is not until February. These are completely false timelines that have nothing to do with anything.

They need to hire the right coach, period. You are just making the time into an issue, when it's irrelevant.


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would you say the hiring practices under O have produced stellar results? Do you think its OK to probably question this process?

if we were Bama fans questioning a coordinator search I could see the "relax and trust the process" stance. He has proven results in his hires, even when people have scratched their head about them. Not quite the case with O.


Bjorn Cyborg
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would you say the hiring practices under O have produced stellar results? Do you think its OK to probably question this process?

if we were Bama fans questioning a coordinator search I could see the "relax and trust the process" stance. He has proven results in his hires, even when people have scratched their head about them. Not quite the case with O.


You are mischaracterizing my statements. I have never said "trust the process." I am simply saying the timing is not a big deal. If you don't like the candidates, fine. If you don't trust O to make a good hire, fine.

But I don't believe the timing is a factor. College football hires are made all over the country, well into February.

Prior to the early signing period, a large percentage of coaching hires were made after the February signing date.


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bstew3006
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Other that it not fitting your timeline, there is no significant benefit to hiring a coach on January 1 vs. January 15, or even February 1. Recruiting is basically done, spring football is not until February. These are completely false timelines that have nothing to do with anything. They need to hire the right coach, period. You are just making the time into an issue, when it's irrelevant.


First, it isn't MY TIMELINE and it isn't irrelevant. It's looking at the entire process as a whole. You send out feeler, find your targets and start the vetting process. They went all in on Freeman and lost, not a problem...But they just went after Arnett, which can be said to be the #2 target and no offer was made. They just found out the #2 target wasn't worth an offer? So I'm off base by questioning the PROCESS that started in early November?

I'm not pissed or "personally fkn insulted", as you stated, by the head scratching process we are seeing.

I agree that Hires are made well into Febuary, but lets not pretend like the DC was surprisingly let go or Decided to take a HC position after a bowl in January and LSU is late to the process.

Now, if Neilsen is his Target/Guy, I can understand the slow roll. But that's also a huge gamble on someone that hasn't been a DC (I know, I know, OC hires), but also his name gaining steam in the NFL ranks. Be left at the alter, again
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Bjorn Cyborg
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re: Arnett was not offered the job.
Orgeron is Nielsen’s mentor, coached him college and gave him his first big break in coaching.

I’m sure Orgeron knows where he stands.

I think there is some truth to the idea that he was Orgeron’s first choice, or at least 1B.



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Housplants
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I haven’t heard much bashing but I doubt it’s for talking to candidates if there is bashing. It’s probably more so because once again O sold out for one guy, couldn’t get him, and OBVIOUSLY had to go back to the drawing board.
Also might have something to do that Nick Saban’s new OC was just a NFL HC while we are hiring guys that have no play calling experience.
Also Bama beat us this year on the field, in recruiting, and now at hiring coaches. All this one year after coach O said we are going to whoop theirs arse at all that.
Maybe also still sour about “our defense is better than at any point last year” fast forward, worst statistical defense in program history, DC fired for 4 mil.


Best post I have read here in a long time.


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LSUinMA
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Just left us at the alter


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alter


Ironic.


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TrueLefty
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Don’t forget Sark has been building his staff while coaching in the CFP.

LSU was the very first major program searching for a DC...CEO knew he had to replace Bo after the 5th - 6th game and Seems to only have had 1 target. Freeman.



LSU isn't Texas! Money talk can go a long way!


bopper50
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Bunch of damn Nancy's on here.

There is a reason LSU, Oregon and Texas seem to be passing on Arnett.


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