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Anyone else think Woodward has turned O over to himself and letting him fail to can him?
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:31 pm
I just can't help but think, Woodward would have gotten to the bottom of RN having a block in his contract with the Saints, or should I say done his due diligence first. It doesn't look like Woodward is too involved in the coaching searches and seems to not mind O continuing to miss on his hires. I think Woodward was all in on Freeman but that's it, probably because he wanted Freeman. But I just can't see Woodward sitting back and watching this mess.
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 11:32 pm
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Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:32 pm to roach3
No i don't.
Nielsen was coming.
They went after 2 top guys.
This is why you always have to have your next choice ready.
Nielsen was coming.
They went after 2 top guys.
This is why you always have to have your next choice ready.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:33 pm to roach3
So you're saying that Woodward wasn't involved in trying to get either Freeman or Nielsen to sign a contract? And you're saying that Woodward would intentionally not do his own job even as Orgeron is attempting to do his job ... to make Orgeron look bad? I'm not sure you thought this through.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:33 pm to roach3
Giving a coach a big contract extension with a massive buyout then not supporting him to make the program the best it can be under him.
Brilliant.
Media and hysteria on here are spinning it this way, but that so many have glossed over the fact the Saints argued with a straight face that NFL DL coach to LSU DC was a lateral move reeks of bias and spin.
Brilliant.
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But I just can't see Woodward sitting back and watching this mess.
Media and hysteria on here are spinning it this way, but that so many have glossed over the fact the Saints argued with a straight face that NFL DL coach to LSU DC was a lateral move reeks of bias and spin.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:34 pm to roach3
I think Woodward would definitely be delighted to put his stamp on LSU athletics by hiring a fantastic football coach. But I doubt he’s trying to sabotage O: that isn’t going to look good for future HC prospects if O gets canned.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:34 pm to Chalkywhite84
I understand he was coming, I believe that for sure
I just think Woodward would have known to ask questions like, "is there a way RN the saints can block hiring you?"
It just seems like a rookie mistake on LSUs part
I just think Woodward would have known to ask questions like, "is there a way RN the saints can block hiring you?"
It just seems like a rookie mistake on LSUs part
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:36 pm to roach3
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I just think Woodward would have known to ask questions like, "is there a way RN the saints can block hiring you?"
No reasonable person would have considered the possibility the Saints would argue it was a lateral move. If they had to make that argument in court they’d have been laughed out of the room. They banked on RN not wanting to take it that far and were proven right.
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:40 pm to roach3
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I understand he was coming, I believe that for sure
I just think Woodward would have known to ask questions like, "is there a way RN the saints can block hiring you?"
It just seems like a rookie mistake on LSUs part
This is first I have heard about the block hiring! I haven't heard this before!
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 1/20/21 at 12:08 am to roach3
What has Woodward done to make you think he is that good?
I’ve seen him be responsible for two hires. Jimbo at aTm and Pelini. Both were overpaid and one was a failure and the jury is out on the other.
Woodward isn’t some great savior that people on this board made him out to be. The only difference between him and Aleva is that Woodward hasn’t thrown his coaches under the bus.
Like it or not, O is not on the hot seat. He will be here for at least a few more years.
I’ve seen him be responsible for two hires. Jimbo at aTm and Pelini. Both were overpaid and one was a failure and the jury is out on the other.
Woodward isn’t some great savior that people on this board made him out to be. The only difference between him and Aleva is that Woodward hasn’t thrown his coaches under the bus.
Like it or not, O is not on the hot seat. He will be here for at least a few more years.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 12:22 am to TrueLefty
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This is first I have heard about the block hiring! I haven't heard this before!
I can understand the Saints not wanting to lose a coach to another NFL team for a lateral move.
Going from the NFL to college is clearly NOT a lateral move.
Also, Being the Defensive Coordinator is a higher level than a position coach. I would also expect the pay to be higher.
There must be more to it.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 6:09 am to roach3
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I just can't help but think, Woodward would have gotten to the bottom of RN having a block in his contract with the Saints, or should I say done his due diligence first.
No. Why would we spend millions buying out coaches and hiring new ones if the goal was to just turn around and do it again, as well as buying out O? If Woodward wanted to move on from O, he would have put his foot down and said no staff changes this off-season. That would have cost nothing extra and put all of the pressure for next season on O.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 6:09 am to roach3
Is anyone beginning to have concerns about Woodward as our AD?
Posted on 1/20/21 at 6:33 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Media and hysteria on here are spinning it this way, but that so many have glossed over the fact the Saints argued with a straight face that NFL DL coach to LSU DC was a lateral move reeks of bias and spin.
Well, in this case where it mattered most (RNs Saints contract) it was defined as lateral as Nielsen was barred from the move.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 6:50 am to roach3
True leaders set their subordinates up for success, not failure. If the subordinate fails the leader fails. You can't separate the subordinate from the leader.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 6:58 am to Chalkywhite84
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They went after 2 top guys.
This is why you always have to have your next choice ready.
And the next choice is....
Posted on 1/20/21 at 7:05 am to roach3
Nah.
I bet the language in Nielsen's contract is fairly common and that 95% of the time it isn't an issue.
It's not like we were offering him a lateral move as DLine coach. He was getting a nice promotion and LSU was probably going to triple his salary.
Like I was saying, 95 times out of 100 a HC/GM never blocks a guy from moving on, especially if they're getting a promotion and a nice pay raise.
Payton is being petty. But Coach O should have reached out to him a couple of weeks ago to let him know he was interested in one of his guys.
I bet the language in Nielsen's contract is fairly common and that 95% of the time it isn't an issue.
It's not like we were offering him a lateral move as DLine coach. He was getting a nice promotion and LSU was probably going to triple his salary.
Like I was saying, 95 times out of 100 a HC/GM never blocks a guy from moving on, especially if they're getting a promotion and a nice pay raise.
Payton is being petty. But Coach O should have reached out to him a couple of weeks ago to let him know he was interested in one of his guys.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:25 am to wheelz007
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Like I was saying, 95 times out of 100 a HC/GM never blocks a guy from moving on, especially if they're getting a promotion and a nice pay raise.
This is true and now that the smoke has cleared, it seems more likely that everyone assumed a release or buyout wouldn’t be an issue because it never is. This makes more sense than Nielsen’s agent and his staff being grossly incompetent and just not knowing his contract.
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Payton is being petty. But Coach O should have reached out to him a couple of weeks ago to let him know he was interested in one of his guys.
Payton and the Saints FO appeared a lot more petty on Monday than yesterday. Monday night we didn’t know they were losing another defensive coach to the Lions and that Allen would be interviewed for a HC job. All of that news came out yesterday and both moves add a lot of context to the Nielsen situation. The Saints had their reasons for blocking an easy path to LSU, even if I don’t care for them as someone who doesn’t give a shite about that team. What they did at least makes sense in hindsight.
I think this O and Payton business is overblown. As long as our athletic department reached out to the Saint FO, the rest is just window dressing and posturing after the fact. If that didn’t happen, then it’s a legit breach of protocol and a problem, but no one has disputed the media reports that it did.
This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 8:26 am
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:29 am to roach3
NO! Whose interest would that be in. The man just won the CFP 1 year ago and went 5-5 with a team that had 33 true freshmen and beat a Florida team that up until that point was trying to get to the playoff. And he could have easily been 7-3.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:32 am to misey94
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think this O and Payton business is overblown. As long as our athletic department reached out to the Saint FO, the rest is just window dressing and posturing after the fact
50% of posters here will not be able to understand this.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:35 am to roach3
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roach3
Where do you get crap like this?
Your bio says that you moved to LA TOUR. What is that? A home for the mentally challenged?
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