re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

“Ned would not speak of the mother, not so much as a word, but a castle has no secrets, and Catelyn heard her maids repeating tales they heard from the lips of her husband’s soldiers. They whispered of Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, deadliest of the seven knights of Aerys’s Kingsguard, and of how their young lord had slain him in single combat. And they told how afterward Ned had carried Ser Arthur’s sword back to the beautiful young sister who awaited him in a castle called Starfall on the shores of the Summer Sea. The Lady Ashara Dayne, tall and fair, with haunting violet eyes.”

“It had taken her a fortnight to marshal her courage, but finally, in bed one night, Catelyn had asked her husband the truth of it, asked him to his face.
That was the only time in all their years that Ned had ever frightened her. “Never ask me about Jon,” he said, cold as ice. “He is my blood, and that is all you need to know. And now I will learn where you heard that name, my lady.” She had pledged to obey; she told him; and from that day on, the whispering had stopped, and Ashara Dayne’s name was never heard in Winterfell again.

Whoever Jon’s mother had been, Ned must have loved her fiercely, for nothing Catelyn said would persuade him to send the boy away. It was the one thing she could never forgive him. She had come to love her husband with all her heart, but she had never found it in her to love Jon. She might have overlooked a dozen bastards for Ned’s sake, so long as they were out of sight. Jon was never out of sight, and as he grew, he looked more like Ned than any of the trueborn sons she bore him. Somehow that made worse."

A couple things here:

Cats reasoning for why she hates Jon Snow so much is really off base.

This is either a huge clue to R+L=J or it doesn't really mean much to that theory at all. I think it's all in how you take it.

Why do so many people around Winterfell whisper about JS mom being Ashara Dayne? Where would they even get that story from?

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Bunch of GoT haters in the TD thread and a lot of them have never watched the show.

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Yeah, I saw that. I tried to find this Tyrion quote

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A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies, the man who never reads lives one.

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but couldn't find it until now.

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Whoever Jon’s mother had been, Ned must have loved her fiercely, for nothing Catelyn said would persuade him to send the boy away. It was the one thing she could never forgive him. She had come to love her husband with all her heart, but she had never found it in her to love Jon. She might have overlooked a dozen bastards for Ned’s sake, so long as they were out of sight. Jon was never out of sight, and as he grew, he looked more like Ned than any of the trueborn sons she bore him. Somehow that made worse."

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Well yeah, depending on your view of Catelyn and Ned's conversation, it could strengthen the Lyanna and Rhaegar theory. Ned calls Jon his blood, not his son.

As far a the Ashara Dayne stuff goes, it's quite easy to understand why the people of Winterfell would think that is Jon's mother. It was known that Ned had feelings for her and considering Brandon's reputation of flinging his fluids people though that maybe Ned was the same way. When Ned had finished with the war, he returns Dawn to Ashara and she allegedly throws herself off a cliff out of grief. People probably thought that Ned wasn't going to let "his" baby just be raised by anyone.

One thing about the Jon Snow parentage, is when David Benioff and D.B. Weiss first talked to George about making the show, George asked them "who's Jon Snow's mother?" They answered and he agreed to give them the rights. Goes back to what I was saying about George being happy that intelligent people read his books and figured out who Jon's parents are. Let's me know that they told him the correct answer and he knew that these two guys aren't idiots.

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Agreed. Also, it makes it interesting as to how they will incorporate hints to Snow's parentage. I see Jorah who knew Ned(for however long he remains with Dany before he's banished of at all), Barristan in relating stories of Rhaegar, the Reeds (have they told TKotLT story yet?), Jaime (was at Harrenhall and probably heard stories plus being in the thick of things in KL), Maester Aemon (if waxes on his brother Egg and Targ traits that Jon may display at the Wall), and a long shot Edric Dayne (if he comes upon Arya in her Hound travels, very slim possibility).

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The hints/evidence are all there in the TV show. It may be more subtle than the books, but it's there. I also think Benjen and possible Aemon and Jeor knew. The whole conversation between Benjen and Jon, back in the pilot episode. Benjen basically dissuades Jon from joining right away and ominously tells him "you don't know what you'd be giving up."

KotLT hasn't been told yet in the show, but it could happen sometime during season 4 as they make their journey to see Bloodraven.

Who would be upset if R+L=J wasn't true? What if his parents really are just Ned and Ashara? And Ned never said anything to anybody because that went against everything he stood for?

I don't necessarily believe this. I'm just curious what others think

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R + L = H

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Hodor

The Hodor that was promised.

How does Varys know all the secret passages in the Red Keep?

I have my theory and presented it before in here but I would like to hear some opinions.

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BUT, is there any point in having Daario??

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In my opinion, there is always a very good point to getting good sex.

He's been around for awhile and made it his job to know everything he can. It's always been his advantage to know the tunnel and it's enabled him to have fewer "birds" than what they think he has because he can send them through the tunnels to monitor convos, making him and his birds a tight and loyal click. He has no double agents in his group, isn't there any wonder why we know everything about him from his own tongue, not from whispers told to other characters..cause there are none.

Varys