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TigerFanatic99
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
There's also new rumors that it's being delayed now because rewrites of the closing half of it after fan backlash


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There's also new rumors that it's being delayed now because rewrites of the closing half of it after fan backlash


Good, the way the two idiots at HBO finished the series fricking sucked and if he’s the one that gave them that ending then he needs to rewrite the books.


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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
I remember this concept being floated as the show passed the books. A lot of people theorizes that Martin was using the show as a test to see if audiences would respond well to his ending, giving him a chance to retool it and redeem himself if they rejected it.


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giving him a chance to retool it and redeem himself if they rejected it.


Jeezus if that was Martin's plot then he absolutely mailed it in. You would think he could get a hold of some peyote or shrooms and head out to Joshua tree to give him some better ideas.


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I think it was Martin’s basic outline of where it should go, but he left it up to B&W to figure out how to get it there. The end result wasn’t the problem so much as the rushed journey.


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Agreed here. I dont have problems with how most of the main character's stories wrapped up except for Bran, Varys, Littlefinger, and maybe Arya. The real issue was how they got to those conclusions


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Jaime deserved better


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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
And the characters deserved better.


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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
The entire idea of electing a new king felt ridiculous. They had an obvious option in a House of Lords/possibly Commons a la Britain.

Jamie going back to die with Cersei destroyed his entire arc. Several books/seasons of building him into a decent human being out the window (pun somewhat intended).

Arya getting the kill on the Night King was a ham-fisted shoehorn. It was always supposed to be Jon (with Bran potentially providing backup).

Daenerys losing it in the last few episodes felt like possibly the most rushed storyline of the season. I could see it making sense with the right run-up, but we didn’t get that.

Honestly it felt like the two major threats of the season (the White Walkers and Cersei) were handled in the wrong order by ridiculous means. Cersei should have been eliminated first to ensure total unity by humanity. After that take all of the troops and make a stand at Harrenhall. It’s the logical choice. Large enough to hold a massive army and strategically positioned to stop a White Walker advance upon the CotF hiding on the Isle of Faces.

Wrap it up with a hard-fought victory costing several major character lives (Daenerys for sure. Possibly Jaime, Davos, Tormund, and Arya). Afterwards Jon reluctantly takes the throne he never wanted but is most suited for out of everyone left. Possibly include a loveless, arranged marriage.

It was always leading to that. A bittersweet end for most. Few characters getting what they thought they wanted. None satisfied.

Instead it was us, the fans, who were left feeling bitter. I refuse to accept that absolute drivel D&D gave us as my ending. That trash is little more than low-tier fan fiction.


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Cersei should have been eliminated first to ensure total unity by humanity. After that take all of the troops and make a stand at Harrenhall. It’s the logical choice. Large enough to hold a massive army and strategically positioned to stop a White Walker advance upon the CotF hiding on the Isle of Faces.

Wrap it up with a hard-fought victory costing several major character lives (Daenerys for sure. Possibly Jaime, Davos, Tormund, and Arya). Afterwards Jon reluctantly takes the throne he never wanted but is most suited for out of everyone left. Possibly include a loveless, arranged marriage.


I got $20 if you wanna flesh that out over a thousand pages.


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1. logs in to TD.com
2. goes to book board
3. sees ASOIAF thread at top of board...gets excited
4. sees no update, but sees great ideas that would have been an excellent close to the TV series, and gets even more frustrated thinking about what could have been.
5. wash, rinse, repeat



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I guess i'l rant too, its been a few days since I have gotten to.

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The entire idea of electing a new king felt ridiculous. They had an obvious option in a House of Lords/possibly Commons a la Britain.


Of all the bad scenes in the finale, this was the worst. Especially Tyrions speech. He went from one second not being allowed to speak, to the next giving a 5 minute spill and essentially being the person who determines who the king is. So much for not being able to talk.

Jon gets sent off so GREY WORM CAN BE HAPPY? Who the hell cares about what Grey Worm wants? So what if it would have caused a mini war over him. Sansa had an army outside that could have defeated them, and o wait, Bran is now king why doesnt he just go "sorry, i'm king and i'm not banishing Jon." Why the hell is everybody just ok with Jon being banished? Grey Worm doesnt even stick around. And the shite Tyrion was the one who basically talked him into killing Dany anyway, I dont see him banishing himself.

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Arya getting the kill on the Night King was a ham-fisted shoehorn. It was always supposed to be Jon (with Bran potentially providing backup).


AT LEAST have a showdown between Jon and the Night King. Some type of fight. Even if Arya comes in and saves the day while they are fighting, just have some showdown between the two that had been building up for multiple seasons.

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Daenerys losing it in the last few episodes felt like possibly the most rushed storyline of the season


I actually defended the show more than most, really up to the last episode. "The Bells" could have been saved if she heard them ringing (that was a pretty tense moment with the bells ringing and her breathing heavy and you saw the whells turning in her mind on what to do) and then just decided to go burn up the tower. Why not just kill Cercei? Killing everybody was so stupid.

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Wrap it up with a hard-fought victory costing several major character lives (Daenerys for sure. Possibly Jaime, Davos, Tormund, and Arya).


Do you hate puppies too? I would have rioted if Arya would have been killed. Not that it matters bc I dont care at all about the show now anyway.

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Jamie going back to die with Cersei destroyed his entire arc. Several books/seasons of building him into a decent human being out the window (pun somewhat intended).


I was actually ok with this. It just showed his true character. It was always about Cersei,. No matter how much he wanted to be a good guy and think that he wasnt in love with her, he still was. When it came down to it, he revealed his true character.




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I didn't mind the stuff with Daenarys. I thought they built up her potential road to madness decently enough. It wasn't great, but there were much more glaring issues.

I agree with the Jon banishment. If the goal was to have Jon wind up in the north, then they could have written it in a way where he was offered the crown due to his Targaryen blood, but he ultimately turns it down because A) he's a stark, and B) he realizes that he belongs in the North with the "free folk". The banishment was unnecessary and created added confusion.


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I got $20 if you wanna flesh that out over a thousand pages.


Just start a fund for the heavy drinking required and I’ll have this baby cranked out in a few months, easily.

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AT LEAST have a showdown between Jon and the Night King. Some type of fight. Even if Arya comes in and saves the day while they are fighting


At least.

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The Bells" could have been saved if she heard them ringing ... and then just decided to go burn up the tower. Why not just kill Cercei? Killing everybody was so stupid.


I agree.

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Do you hate puppies too? I would have rioted if Arya would have been killed. Not that it matters bc I dont care at all about the show now anyway.


I hated how predictable it all became later on. The plot armor was entirely too thick for main characters. Arya’s story really only had a few plausible endings:

A. She comes back to save her family, only to realize at the end of it all she truly doesn’t belong with them anymore and returns to the HoBaW. A spiritual sort of death.

B. She survives and recognizes that to be with her family will take a sacrifice of freedom and thus marries Gendry (the death of her last vestige of childishness).

C. In a valiant effort to save someone she loves (and complete the reaffirmation of her sense of self) she dies.

Arya’s story was never meant to have an unconditionally happy ending.

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I was actually ok with this. It just showed his true character. It was always about Cersei,. No matter how much he wanted to be a good guy and think that he wasnt in love with her, he still was. When it came down to it, he revealed his true character.


I categorically disagree with this. He could love Cersei and still not go back to die with her. He truly was a good man pulled down by the wickedness of his family. Jamie in the books was building up to be one of the greatest character journeys ever undertaken. He made the hard, right decisions along the way (defying the Mad King, saving Brienne, releasing Tyrion, etc.) and took all the venom and ridicule from those who didn’t know better without batting an eye. Without feeling the need to justify himself. Because in his heart he knew that he was right and that was all that mattered.

Jaime in the books would have NEVER gone back to Cersei after she blew up the Sept. That would have been the last straw. What the show did to him was absolute character assassination and I’ll never forgive them for it.


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Jaime in the books would have NEVER gone back to Cersei after she blew up the Sept. That would have been the last straw. What the show did to him was absolute character assassination and I’ll never forgive them for i


I agree. This is pretty much spelled out for us when he explains his reasoning for killing the Mad King.


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Jaime in the books would have NEVER gone back to Cersei after she blew up the Sept.


In the context of the show, who really never fully pulled him away from Ceresi, it wasn’t as surprising.

In the context of the books, you’re 100% on. He’d only go back to kill her arse (and I could see him dying while doing so).


TigerFanatic99
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In the context of the books, you’re 100% on. He’d only go back to kill her arse (and I could see him dying while doing so).


He ends in the riverlands and burns her note begging him to return to KL to save her, right?

Yeah, I think book Jamie is done with ber.


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Was Robert Baratheon the only guy in Westeros that didn’t know Cersei was fricking Jaime and that her three kids didn’t look like him?


TigerFanatic99
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Was Robert Baratheon the only guy in Westeros that didn’t know Cersei was fricking Jaime and that her three kids didn’t look like him?


There was this one dude named Lord Eddard Stark of Winterfell. He was actually the Warden of the North, but people just called him Ned.

Apoiler Alert. Ned's dead.
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