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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:14 am to 19
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:14 am to 19
Looks like they're wasting a lot of swords for the throne.
I can't remember, do they forge the swords of dead members of the Kingsguard to the throne? Or was it forged by the swords of conquered people?
I can't remember, do they forge the swords of dead members of the Kingsguard to the throne? Or was it forged by the swords of conquered people?
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 11:17 am
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Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:27 am to 19
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I still like to think Blackfyre is hidden (in plain sight) somewhere in the Iron Throne...
Bittersteel recovered Damon Blackfyre's body from the field so it stands to reason he recovered the sword as well but I don't think it's ever mentioned that he or any of the Blackfyres carried it in battle. My best guess is that the Golden Company has it or at least had it. Or maybe Illyrio has it, which would fit with his girl Serra being a Blackfyre but not so much with him buying her from a brothel. Maybe the brothel story was bullshite?
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 11:28 am
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:37 am to TigerFanInSouthland
I only know it was made with the swords of those that opposed Aegon, and forged with Baelerion's fire...idk if any more were added later, but I've forgotten so much over the eons.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:51 am to shinerfan
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Faegon
I know some people think it's a bit superfluous, but I actually liked the added complexity of this storyline. Connington, the motivations for Illyrio, the return of The Golden Company, etc. It introduced another interesting faction to the mix that helps keep the story from necking down too much before the end. Honestly, if it hadn't taken Martin six years and counting to write tWoW and given us plenty of time to piece together what was going on I think a lot of people would have enjoyed the twist/reveal of finding out who Faegon was.
He makes for a nice counterpoint to Jon. Always raised and groomed for his prepared place, proud and cocksure, expecting obedience and respect rather than earning them, and more than a touch spoiled. The very picture of the noble firstborn son.
On the other hand we have Jon: A man who had to carve his own path, humble and introspective, a born leader who would ask nothing of his men that he wouldn't do himself, and who leads a spartan life devoid of comforts.
And who should be about to arrive between them but Daenerys herself. A powerful woman who will be in need of an ally to win back her throne. Knowing nothing of either suitor's true parentage she will have to decide between the hard Northman or the supposed long-lost nephew (I'm sure a few flashbacks of Viserys's tenderness will ensue).
By this time Jon will likely have the North, the Vale, and the Riverlands as backers while Faegon has Dorne, the Stormlands, and the Reach, so troop strength will be a draw. When she has to look at the men themselves she will ask for rumors as to their character and mettle. And guess who happens to have met and measured both?
I think we all know whom he will advise she choose, but still, it would have made for good entertainment and I am saddened by its cutting.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:56 am to shinerfan
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Serra being a Blackfyre but not so much with him buying her from a brothel.
The brothels of Lys were known for seeking ANYONE with Valyrian blood to fill out their rosters. It would make sense for the cash strapped Blackfyres in exile to have sold a spare sister or two into one to fund their constant warmongering.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 12:07 pm to Decisions
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The brothels of Lys were known for seeking ANYONE with Valyrian blood to fill out their rosters. It would make sense for the cash strapped Blackfyres in exile to have sold a spare sister or two into one to fund their constant warmongering.
I was looking at it from the angle of how could Illyrio get the sword. If she was the last of the Blackfyre line it makes sense that the Golden Company might have given it into her keeping but obviously a slave in a brothel wouldn't be allowed to keep a priceless sword.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 12:09 pm to Decisions
I think the fAegon storyline could prove to be a worthwhile addition as long as he's a Blackfyre. Maybe it would be too much for the scope of the show, but it could turn out to be interesting in the books. If he's really Rhaegar's son, then I hate it.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 12:15 pm to ohiovol
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I think the fAegon storyline could prove to be a worthwhile addition as long as he's a Blackfyre. Maybe it would be too much for the scope of the show, but it could turn out to be interesting in the books. If he's really Rhaegar's son, then I hate it.
In the books, I think fAegon is just someone to kill off in grand fashion. Not important to the overall plot because he is not in the show and does not appear until book 4 when Martin had lost his way.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 12:18 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
That's definitely possible, and if that's the case, I'm glad he was omitted.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 12:35 pm to shinerfan
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mi'lard
Posted on 5/1/17 at 12:54 pm to shinerfan
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I was looking at it from the angle of how could Illyrio get the sword.
Ahhhh, my mistake. Sincerest apologies.
Connington says that Illyrio, he, and the former leader of The Golden Company Myles Toyne were all in on the plot together. I would imagine that Toyne had possession of the sword from after Maelys the Monstrous was slew and thus lent it to Mopatis for safekeeping until fAegon was old enough and ready.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:16 pm to Decisions
Yesh, that's pretty much how I see it. I could come up with other scenarios but that seems the most likely.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 2:08 pm to 19
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I only know it was made with the swords of those that opposed Aegon, and forged with Baelerion's fire...idk if any more were added later, but I've forgotten so much over the eons.
I seem to remember them saying in the books that swords have been added to it over the ages. But I can't find anything on it so it must not be right.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 2:59 pm to Decisions
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By this time Jon will likely have the North, the Vale, and the Riverlands as backers while Faegon has Dorne, the Stormlands, and the Reach, so troop strength will be a draw. When she has to look at the men themselves she will ask for rumors as to their character and mettle. And guess who happens to have met and measured both?
I don't think that Aegon would have Dorne at this point in either the books nor the show. With Doran dead on the show and Tristane too, they won't have a prince to barter now. I know Doran isn't dead in the book but isn't Tristane or was a plot uncovered to have him killed? Either way they are pledging to someone so why wouldn't they saddle themselves to Dany herself to make sure they get a Targ with dragons on their side?
As for the Reach, they could marry Aegon off to Margaery but wouldn't she be the cursed queen by now? I could see her marrying Aegon either way in the book and be killed through battle.
As for the Stormlands, that will be interesting because I think Dany will land there also but most likely after Aegon does.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 3:11 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Ahhh...I know what you're remembering:
"Here, boy. Melt it down and add it to the others."
If Joff took his advice, it would be easy to find - It's the one that says "Bad Motherfricker" on it.
"Here, boy. Melt it down and add it to the others."
If Joff took his advice, it would be easy to find - It's the one that says "Bad Motherfricker" on it.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 3:18 pm to Warfarer
All of my outlined theory is for the books, as the show has departed rather significantly from the books by omitting fAegon and screwing up the Dorne storyline.
I am drawing some things from the show that haven't happened in the books yet such as the destruction of the Tyrells to drive them away from the Lannisters, Littlefinger's play to put the Vale on Jon's side (for now at least), and a few other things that escape me, but still. It's a pretty high probability that they happen.
At this point none of the conspirators in Westeros know if Dany will ever get around to invading, so fAegon showing up Golden Company in tow would look quite appealing to them. Doran Martell will still be alive and after Myrcella's debacle will be hunting anyone for an ally. Granny Tyrell will be looking for the first potential cause to hitch her wagon to as well. And since he already DID land and start conquering the Stormlands in the books we can assume that they will fall in line and support him over the disliked and absent Stannis.
fAegon wouldn't settle for Margaery even if she did survive the Wildfire/Great Sept event. He needs Dany to marry and finish legitimizing himself.
I am drawing some things from the show that haven't happened in the books yet such as the destruction of the Tyrells to drive them away from the Lannisters, Littlefinger's play to put the Vale on Jon's side (for now at least), and a few other things that escape me, but still. It's a pretty high probability that they happen.
At this point none of the conspirators in Westeros know if Dany will ever get around to invading, so fAegon showing up Golden Company in tow would look quite appealing to them. Doran Martell will still be alive and after Myrcella's debacle will be hunting anyone for an ally. Granny Tyrell will be looking for the first potential cause to hitch her wagon to as well. And since he already DID land and start conquering the Stormlands in the books we can assume that they will fall in line and support him over the disliked and absent Stannis.
fAegon wouldn't settle for Margaery even if she did survive the Wildfire/Great Sept event. He needs Dany to marry and finish legitimizing himself.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:19 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
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In the books, I think fAegon is just someone to kill off in grand fashion
I always figured that he along with Jon & Daenerys would be the three dragon-riders. With the exception of Lord Bloodraven, I don't think anyone with dragon blood is alive.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:32 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:uh, Tyrion
I don't think anyone with dragon blood is alive
Posted on 5/1/17 at 9:45 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Do we have a thread on the S7 leaks?? I don't remember if we ever did or not.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 9:50 pm to ladytiger118
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Do we have a thread on the S7 leaks?? I don't remember if we ever did or not.
People were posting in a GoT S7 pictures thread.
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