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whitelisting vs 'added to an allow-list'

Posted on 2/27/24 at 9:24 am
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 9:24 am


so the memo went out we can no longer refer to the IT terms blacklisting and whitelisting.

i am trying to be a good little drone and use the right terms but on a call the other day i slipped up and said 'whitelist' and you should have heard the gasps. i immediately got 2 teams messages from folks on the call letting me know i fricked up.

this shite is ridiculous. how long until using the wrong terms will result in disciplinary action or firing?

its been lots of fun revising hundreds of documents on sharepoint to change the terms.
Posted by BabySam
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 9:57 am to
hahahahahah....frick that shite
Posted by jdd48
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 10:12 am to
I saw something recently about man in the middle attacks. A certain segment of people want the term changed because of the word "man" in man in the middle.
Posted by BabySam
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 10:47 am to
see my previous response to CAD! lol
Posted by BabySam
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 11:19 am to
This post was edited on 2/27/24 at 2:04 pm
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 11:26 am to
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BabySam

FTFY

Posted by BabySam
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 11:28 am to
I dont add images often...wtf was i doing to mess it up? Uploader to imgur then selected link and pasted in
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 11:40 am to
Well at first it linked to the LVN group post which is where I got the image url (it's on fb's cdn) and I posted that. imgur does a similar thing where it likes to give you a link to the page instead of directly to the image. Might have to click it again in imgur to get a direct link.
Posted by BabySam
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 2:04 pm to
Thanks dude!
Posted by s0tiger
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 3:19 pm to
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man in the middle attacks


Already been changed to on-path attacks. Adversary-in-the-Middle is also acceptable.

Also, mantraps are now access control vestibules...
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 3:45 pm to
This thread reminds me of my accounting teacher in high school. This was way back when it was a big deal for a classroom to have a singular computer, and when mice had a ball inside. He switched classrooms over the summer, and somehow during the move his mouse lost its ball. He said "so now I have a female mouse... it doesn't work nearly as well as it used to".
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 5:26 pm to
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mantraps are now access control vestibules...
Posted by BabySam
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 5:49 pm to
But what about the almighty "cockpit"?!
Posted by ArkLaTexTiger
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Posted on 2/28/24 at 6:23 pm to
I'm still waiting for some one to call me out for using the terms MODBUS master and slave.
Posted by LemmyLives
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Posted on 2/28/24 at 7:49 pm to
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when mice had a ball inside.


I remember cleaning those balls in college when I worked for Residential Life.
Posted by GetMeOutOfHere
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 2/29/24 at 7:56 am to
That stupid garbage is a hassle in other ways; I had to migrate a source control project and had issues because it was expecting the default branch to be main instead of master.
Posted by skrayper
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/29/24 at 11:19 am to
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so the memo went out we can no longer refer to the IT terms blacklisting and whitelisting.


Our CTO and I had a similar conversation. It's super awkward to say "allow list". "Blocklist" is less awkward, but yeah... it's a weird thing to insist on.

Like when people started saying that you shouldn't refer to old drive configurations as "Master" and "Slave".

That said, "whitelist" and "blacklist" make sense in the terms of physics (white light is allowing ALL of the visible light spectrum through, black would be allowing none). The original term had nothing to do with race either; it was used in the 1600s by an English playwright.

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The English dramatist Philip Massinger used the phrase "black list" in his 1639 tragedy The Unnatural Combat.[2]

After the restoration of the English monarchy brought Charles II of England to the throne in 1660, a list of regicides named those to be punished for the execution of his father.[3] The state papers of Charles II say "If any innocent soul be found in this black list, let him not be offended at me, but consider whether some mistaken principle or interest may not have misled him to vote".[4] In a 1676 history of the events leading up to the Restoration, James Heath (a supporter of Charles II) alleged that Parliament had passed an Act requiring the sale of estates, "And into this black list the Earl of Derby was now put, and other unfortunate Royalists".[5]


It's silly. Apparently the terms weren't seen this way until a paper in 2018.

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its been lots of fun revising hundreds of documents on sharepoint to change the terms.


Shame Sharepoint doesn't have a simple "find all and replace" function like you can do for simple Word docs.
Posted by skrayper
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/29/24 at 11:21 am to
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Already been changed to on-path attacks. Adversary-in-the-Middle is also acceptable.


This one has a bunch of aliases, but is still listed as "Man-in-the-middle" on Wikipedia:

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Also known as a monster-in-the-middle,[1][2] machine-in-the-middle,[3] meddler-in-the-middle,[4] manipulator-in-the-middle,[5][6] person-in-the-middle[7] (PITM), or adversary-in-the-middle[8] (AITM) attack.
Posted by CAD703X
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Member since Jul 2008
78036 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 11:41 am to
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Shame Sharepoint doesn't have a simple "find all and replace" function like you can do for simple Word docs


my hatred for how much sharepoint fights me on doing things that should be simple and intuitive knows no bounds.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
5702 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 5:15 pm to
I have never seen those terms and thought of race except when leftists push the narrative.

They should next blacklist using black pride and white pride.
This post was edited on 2/29/24 at 5:16 pm
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