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UniFi home network question
Posted on 12/20/24 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 12/20/24 at 9:08 pm
Recently purchased some Ubiqiti equipment to set up my first home network. I currently have Starlink(gen2) but may be moving to Spectrum 1gig fiber.
Switch(es) - USW-Ultra; multiple USW-FlexMinis
Gateway - Cloud Gateway Max (UCG-Max)
As of now, I’m running cat 6a cables to multiple rooms. I currently have 4 active drops.
Which access points do you recommend?
2400sf house, brick exterior/drywall interior
950sf pool house serving as an apartment for my son in college; 1 in wall drop, 1 waiting in attic for AP
I’m leaning u6 Pros, 3 for house and 1 for pool house. Although, I am also considering mixing in a U6 Mesh if needed.
Normally I would go with the wifi7 APs but have read about a lot of IOT issues with the 2.4 band. I’m just learning so I don’t think I’d be up to fighting those type issues if they popped up.
Thanks in advance for any guidance.
Switch(es) - USW-Ultra; multiple USW-FlexMinis
Gateway - Cloud Gateway Max (UCG-Max)
As of now, I’m running cat 6a cables to multiple rooms. I currently have 4 active drops.
Which access points do you recommend?
2400sf house, brick exterior/drywall interior
950sf pool house serving as an apartment for my son in college; 1 in wall drop, 1 waiting in attic for AP
I’m leaning u6 Pros, 3 for house and 1 for pool house. Although, I am also considering mixing in a U6 Mesh if needed.
Normally I would go with the wifi7 APs but have read about a lot of IOT issues with the 2.4 band. I’m just learning so I don’t think I’d be up to fighting those type issues if they popped up.
Thanks in advance for any guidance.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 6:56 am to OldCat55
I would stick with simple home grade stuff as it is cheap, powerful, readily available, and can be found really cheap this time of year from people upgrading. Just had the orbi 963 system fall into my lap for $100.
Let the home mesh handle NAT and build a small 4 core+ server to handle everything else you want to do.
We only use Ethernet outside the IT closet for for WiFi backhaul(now 2.5g) and even that is barely necessary.
Not sure about wifi7, but some iot things don’t like wifi5(ie first gen echo). The WiFi system is where the money is. If it breaks an iot thingie, build a VLaN or replace the iot thing.
My fav home system by far is deco. It is so versatile. All pods can be satalites, APs, or routers. I manage 3x remote deco networks on a simple app and can spin up WireGuard servers or clients remotely on my phone in one minute. VLAN options are terrible but that’s what you get with home equipment. Oddly enough the only router I’ve ever had to reset(and a lot) was a business model).
Edit: also a 2400 sq ft house should need no more than two APs, especially since you’ll have a third one with wire backhaul in pool house that will help to cover outdoor areas.
Let the home mesh handle NAT and build a small 4 core+ server to handle everything else you want to do.
We only use Ethernet outside the IT closet for for WiFi backhaul(now 2.5g) and even that is barely necessary.
Not sure about wifi7, but some iot things don’t like wifi5(ie first gen echo). The WiFi system is where the money is. If it breaks an iot thingie, build a VLaN or replace the iot thing.
My fav home system by far is deco. It is so versatile. All pods can be satalites, APs, or routers. I manage 3x remote deco networks on a simple app and can spin up WireGuard servers or clients remotely on my phone in one minute. VLAN options are terrible but that’s what you get with home equipment. Oddly enough the only router I’ve ever had to reset(and a lot) was a business model).
Edit: also a 2400 sq ft house should need no more than two APs, especially since you’ll have a third one with wire backhaul in pool house that will help to cover outdoor areas.
This post was edited on 12/21/24 at 7:01 am
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:28 am to OldCat55
First reply too long, but my recommendation is drop what you have and just get deco x55 x3 set. $109 Amazon refurb or a little more new. Use wire backhaul and expect about 300-600 Mbps everywhere. X55 is also a good WireGuard client/server for like 250mbps but limited by weak processor.
BE11000 (be63) for up to double with compatible devices and a quad core router than can do double the router things.
BE85 for maximum everything.
I wouldn’t buy any other deco models because the ones I listed are the best supported and always get the best updates and upgrades.
BE11000 (be63) for up to double with compatible devices and a quad core router than can do double the router things.
BE85 for maximum everything.
I wouldn’t buy any other deco models because the ones I listed are the best supported and always get the best updates and upgrades.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:46 am to Dallaswho
The guy is committed to unifi and has already bought most of the hardware.
I went with the 6 pros a few years back. No experience with the Wi-Fi 7 APs but the 6 pros have been rock solid.
I went with the 6 pros a few years back. No experience with the Wi-Fi 7 APs but the 6 pros have been rock solid.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 9:24 am to Vrai
quote:
The guy is committed to unifi and has already bought most of the hardware.
But also going from 200mbps to 1000 while his entire layer2(sans wire) is capped at 1000 with nothing upgradable. Thats why 2 options make sense:
1. Go cheap (add x55 mesh or similar).
2. Upgrade
Dropping an extra $400 to match existing equipment does not make sense to me.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 10:24 am to OldCat55
I did the in wall APs on the outskirts of my house with a ufo looking AP in the attic and have real good coverage.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 11:07 am to OldCat55
I still use UAP-AC-Pro APs purchased about 6y ago with no desire to upgrade.
I have two on-wall APs in locations that needed an on-wall switch and to reach dead zones (outside and garage, but they face the interior in an office and behind a tv on a fireplace (that I didn’t put there!!). Truly awful plan/network design. Truly perfect real-world results)
It wouldn’t be wrong to nab the u6+ for $20 more than the AC-Pro. I wouldn’t use u6-pro for home use. Price isn’t much more. But practical improvement is also not very much more for what you're doing
And depending on set up, 1-2 for the house is very likely to be sufficient. My home is 4300sqft. One per floor was plenty and did most of the yard outside except when the stream traversed multiple walls to the exterior at the extreme corners of my yard (tiny lot. 1/4 acre)
I have two on-wall APs in locations that needed an on-wall switch and to reach dead zones (outside and garage, but they face the interior in an office and behind a tv on a fireplace (that I didn’t put there!!). Truly awful plan/network design. Truly perfect real-world results)
It wouldn’t be wrong to nab the u6+ for $20 more than the AC-Pro. I wouldn’t use u6-pro for home use. Price isn’t much more. But practical improvement is also not very much more for what you're doing
And depending on set up, 1-2 for the house is very likely to be sufficient. My home is 4300sqft. One per floor was plenty and did most of the yard outside except when the stream traversed multiple walls to the exterior at the extreme corners of my yard (tiny lot. 1/4 acre)
Posted on 12/21/24 at 11:23 am to OldCat55
quote:
I’m leaning u6 Pros, 3 for house and 1 for pool house. Although, I am also considering mixing in a U6 Mesh if needed.
Normally I would go with the wifi7 APs but have read about a lot of IOT issues with the 2.4 band. I’m just learning so I don’t think I’d be up to fighting those type issues if they popped up.
Thanks in advance for any guidance.
You can always buy the U7s from someplace that allows returns and try it.
I'd start with two APs and a pair of long ethernet cables. Move the APs around the house and see which placement gives you get best coverage before commiting the the celling drops. If two APs doesn't give you great coverage, then buy the third.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 11:27 am to Vrai
quote:
The guy is committed to unifi
Where he went wrong
Posted on 12/21/24 at 11:42 am to OldCat55
I'd go with the long-range AP over the pro. it's only another 10 bucks per. You'll have better coverage over the entire home and outside at the pool.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 11:51 am to broadhead
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I'd go with the long-range AP over the pro
This is so wrong. The pro is considerably better and most end devices have shitty wifi chips that don't help with the long range
Posted on 12/21/24 at 2:42 pm to OldCat55
I have the Unifi inwall APs (2 per floor) and an AC-Lite. I like the in wall units as they are less obtrusive and also provide convenient ethernet ports.
I installed my Unifi system 7 years ago and it's still going strong. Don't go with LR models that's for certain use cases. Sure your devices might get a signal further out but they won't be able to talk back.
The only piece I'm looking to upgrade is my gateway (USG) as it no longer gets firmware updates since last year.
I installed my Unifi system 7 years ago and it's still going strong. Don't go with LR models that's for certain use cases. Sure your devices might get a signal further out but they won't be able to talk back.
The only piece I'm looking to upgrade is my gateway (USG) as it no longer gets firmware updates since last year.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 2:50 pm to bluebarracuda
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This is so wrong. The pro is considerably better and most end devices have shitty wifi chips that don't help with the long range
How may AP's total have you deployed?
Posted on 12/21/24 at 3:20 pm to bluebarracuda
quote:
Where he went wrong
Agree. I don’t understand this thread at all. It’s all about spending a lot of money and introducing several more possible points of failure all to get 6-8 year old performance.
The two year old orbi 963 set I just got nearly free yesterday gets >650mbps on every corner of a 3400sqft 1 story/0.6acre property before connecting any wired backhaul and that’s on an old iPhone.
Commercial WiFi systems are made for offices, not homes. If want more gateway/router power, build a pfsense machine from a nuc.
This post was edited on 12/21/24 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:37 pm to Dallaswho
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Commercial WiFi systems are made for offices, not homes.
Wrong. I got tired of buying new piece of shite systems every other year, only to keep failing. I went with UniFi gear my last go around, rock solid. There is a difference in the equipment, and it's not that much more expensive.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:44 pm to Twincam
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Wrong. I got tired of buying new piece of shite systems every other year, only to keep failing. I went with UniFi gear my last go around, rock solid. There is a difference in the equipment, and it's not that much more expensive.
That’s your experience. Mine is that my only bad UI was a Cisco router that I let get outdated while all the home stuff I’ve used has been perfect. Quit pushing decade-old tech on people.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 9:17 pm to OldCat55
The regular U6+ will work fine in a residential setting. I have 2 of them in my house (4200 sq/ft) and an original dream machine which is wifi5. Depending on your layout 1-2 will cover the whole house.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 10:36 pm to tes fou
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The regular U6+ will work fine in a residential setting. I have 2 of them in my house (4200 sq/ft) and an original dream machine which is wifi5. Depending on your layout 1-2 will cover the whole house.
2014 called.. they want their WiFi speeds back.
Y’all talking about dropping a grand or more for 2x2 1024 QAM 80mhz channels when $100 would at least get you 160MHz. In the whole home. You’d be just as well of performance-wise as using your Amazon echos as wireless repeaters.
This post was edited on 12/22/24 at 7:33 am
Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:19 am to OldCat55
I'd go with an OpenWRT router and then some sort of closed MESH system for access points only. Unifi gear isn't what it used to be.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:50 am to Dallaswho
quote:
his entire layer2(sans wire) is capped at 1000
What are you talking about? The ucg-max has 2.5gb ports.
quote:
with nothing upgradable
What are you talking about again? Literally every piece of his setup can be upgraded, piecemeal if he wants to.
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