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Posted on 8/26/16 at 8:07 am to GFunk
And of all those wonderful acquisitions Apple has made we have yet to see stakes in anything along the lines of uber,jet.com,slack,spacex or anything remotely game changing have we? Google is making serious moves like when yahoo bought Ali baba stake back in the day under jerry yang. I'm not blaming Apple if Steve jobs still was in charge they'd be making similar moves alphabet is blessed to have both its founders still there to oversee everything. I'll be sure to bookmark this thread and come back and discuss this with you all you want but Google is definitely going to be the bigger company in the near future and definitely over a longer period of time. Apple can't even grow revenues anymore, Google is going to for a long long time. I'm sorry but it's not even debatable at this point if you wanna talk Apple acquisitions but ignore 25% yoy growth at alphabet vs yoy declines at Apple and I'm talking about the most recent quarter. That kinda growth from a company that big is just good lord
Also hasn't tim cook spearheaded apples foray into the cheaper phone market? Jobs had nothing to do with that. Apple has launched some cheaper phones and yet alphabet has 85% global market share???? Not too impressive of timmy that only the high end model is doing its thing and he cant even dent android. Look as I said im an iphone user, its an awesome experience, but its shameful that they cant dent android with cheaper offerings, its just pathetic actually ios is awesome. You dont blame tim cook when a massive market like india is 97% android users? Im sorry but sales are declining massively yoy at apple and their leaders comes up with a phone with no headphone jack and new colors as the master plan to stop the bleeding? That sounds alot like like big automakers and them maintaining status quo while tesla is eating away at their business.
Also hasn't tim cook spearheaded apples foray into the cheaper phone market? Jobs had nothing to do with that. Apple has launched some cheaper phones and yet alphabet has 85% global market share???? Not too impressive of timmy that only the high end model is doing its thing and he cant even dent android. Look as I said im an iphone user, its an awesome experience, but its shameful that they cant dent android with cheaper offerings, its just pathetic actually ios is awesome. You dont blame tim cook when a massive market like india is 97% android users? Im sorry but sales are declining massively yoy at apple and their leaders comes up with a phone with no headphone jack and new colors as the master plan to stop the bleeding? That sounds alot like like big automakers and them maintaining status quo while tesla is eating away at their business.
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 8:19 am
Posted on 8/26/16 at 8:50 am to dabigfella
He needs to quit worry about politics and pet causes and more about innovating. They are now just playing with form factors and not actually creating new products.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 10:07 am to GFunk
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thread is about Tim Cook and his tenure as Apple CEO. Not your love of Google
You start a thread for an open discussion of Apple and someone engages you with an honest assessment of Tims performance vs their biggest competitor and you get all butt hurt because he doesn't heap as much adulation on Tim as you deem worthy.
Why not change the thread title to Tim Cook Worship because that would be more accurate.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 10:29 am to dabigfella
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Tim Cook could lead apple to the promised land but he's currently only interested in maintaining the status quo
IMHO, Steve had a pretty impressive ability to take something and make users want it. We can argue the merits of that all day, but it's hard to ignore his ability to take a piece of tech and turn it into something people had to have.
Lately, I just don't know where Apple is going. They don't have that drive since Steve passed, and I get the vibe that they're sitting around at Apple going "Um, I dunno, make it smaller."
Now that you have an ecosystem, you have a rabid consumer base, why won't Apple actually listen to their users? For example, I bet more iPhone users would rather their phones be more resilient than thinner. An iPhone I don't have to put a $100 case on? Sign me up. And while Bluetooth is certainly nice, as I caught a pair of Jaybird Bluebuds on Prime day that are fantastic, does anyone want a phone with no headphone jack? With another adapter I'm going to have to buy? And now I can't charge my phone and plug in an AUX jack at the same time? That seems like a step back. Now you add wireless charging, maybe we're talking.
But once again, it looks like we're changing things for the sake of changing them. I get that you don't have any ground breaking changes planned for iPhone 7. So make it better where it matters. Battery life, clarity, accessories. Etc.
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 10:33 am
Posted on 8/26/16 at 10:30 am to CAD703X
Exactly thank you. Tim has done nothing but change sizes and colors. Ridiculous his biggest acquisition was a $3b headphone company and his investments we won't know for years how they unfold but alphabet has made some amazing acquisitions and most recently netted 15x on just jet.com but again Tim Cook did have new initiatives like a cheaper iPhone that's all on him and yet android is dominating and growing in that segment so at some point tim is to blame. He's done a great job of running what jobs left him but to say he's added anything meaningful to Apple is dense
Posted on 8/26/16 at 10:34 am to GFunk
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You realize over the weekend, an artist you've probably never heard of used Apple Music to totally upend the music industry and potentially shift how musicians release their work? Potentially changing the standard model that streaming and exclusives have already pushed the envelope on?
This is your example of Apple "innovating"?! They worked directly with an artist, rather than with an artist's label, to release an album? Omg stop the fricking presses.
My god, artists have been releasing music independently for a loooong time. Apple facilitates the process and they're innovating, according to some? Lord help them.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 10:46 am to Korkstand
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Korkstand
yeah that response is what led me to post above. gfunk didn't actually want to discuss anything in an honest fashion.
that whole diatribe about this music artist just 'upended the music industry' sounds straight out of an apple press release.
eta btw gfunk its AAPL, not APPL, you'd think as passionate as you are you wouldn't continue to misspell the stock symbol.
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 10:48 am
Posted on 8/26/16 at 10:48 am to CAD703X
There's really nothing to discuss when AAPL is facing 20% yoy declines and their biggest competitor just had 25% yoy gains lol wake me up when google ever faces a 20% annual decline
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:02 am to CAD703X
I'm all about it. But he's confused about:
Google Vs Alphabet
Acquisitions Vs Venture Capital Investments
Apple's Acquisitions and Investments
Am I not allowed to attempt to correct those points of confusion for him? Or should we just allow folks to post incorrect information or push a false narrative?
I'm not saying Apple's makes DARPA or X Labs look tame by comparison. I'm looking to correct inaccuracies. Do you think that isn't warranted? I disagree but why would you say otherwise?
Google Vs Alphabet
Acquisitions Vs Venture Capital Investments
Apple's Acquisitions and Investments
Am I not allowed to attempt to correct those points of confusion for him? Or should we just allow folks to post incorrect information or push a false narrative?
I'm not saying Apple's makes DARPA or X Labs look tame by comparison. I'm looking to correct inaccuracies. Do you think that isn't warranted? I disagree but why would you say otherwise?
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:09 am to Korkstand
Online music was around before the iTunes Store as well. Denigrate all you want but if it's enough to shift the behavior of an entire industry it's impactful.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:09 am to GFunk
While I think Cook is really, really good. The innovation and "outside the box" thinking that Jobs brought to the table is definitely showing.
The iPhone's market share is hemorrhaging more than a Sorority House with their cycles synced.
The iPhone's market share is hemorrhaging more than a Sorority House with their cycles synced.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:11 am to GFunk
quote:
I'm all about it. But he's confused about:
Google Vs Alphabet
Acquisitions Vs Venture Capital Investments
Apple's Acquisitions and Investments
is he wrong about google's stock valued at 30x earnings while apple's is at 12?
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:42 am to CAD703X
Absolutely not. Have I said that he is? Now would you say he's incorrect on the subjects I listed that you quoted? Or are you the only guy here who gets to answer a question with a question?
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:47 am to GFunk
sure, i'll address your point:
- investors smarter than you clearly see more value in google's current business practices than apple therefore trying to prop apple up by claiming they have made equal worthy investments as google would seem to not hold up based on the share-to-earnings value of both companies.
but if it makes you feel good to claim apple is doing just as well on this metric, carry on.
- investors smarter than you clearly see more value in google's current business practices than apple therefore trying to prop apple up by claiming they have made equal worthy investments as google would seem to not hold up based on the share-to-earnings value of both companies.
but if it makes you feel good to claim apple is doing just as well on this metric, carry on.
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 11:49 am
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:23 pm to CAD703X
I'm willing to bet apple will sell less iPhone 7 at launch than iPhone 6 at launch. The nominal changes combined with the change in subsidized phone plans will probably hurt Apple more than they think. I have an iPhone 6 and plenty of money and I'm not gonna pay to switch. The iPhone 6 to me is everything I need in a phone and there's no point in paying more for something nominally better. My issues with cook don't rest on the iPhone they rest on the fact Apple is now an iPhone company over 60% of revenues and that's sad when you have $200b plus in cash you could be dominating so many fields and Apple just doesn't. It's pathetic how they venture into low end phones and do nothing at all to even give alphabet a scare. It's ok keep buying back shares and boosting dividends while artificially inflating a stock. Even with all that the shares are still down yoy.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 1:12 pm to dabigfella
taking over the cellphone industry at a time when technologies were in place to launch a smartphone was a major slam dunk and created a virtually unlimited cash cow.
that ship has sailed however so growth will need to happen in other areas.
apple was late to the subscription music scene so that didnt 'dazzle' like iphone and ipod launches.
who would you blame for that? steve's original agreements with the music industry created problems for changing the 99 cent song business model? or tim cook sitting around enjoying the windfall iphone profits not seeing the writing on the wall?
i think thats what dabig is saying; a true leader of a company continues to push the market and doesn't develop a me-too approach long after the spotifys, pandoras and google musics were out there.
their home automation product was pathetic. wink, as shitty as it is ran rings around this both with allowing just about every doodad out there to work with it and by stealing a page from apple's UI to develop an easy interface.
wink suffered from a lack of development resources, over-promising on emerging technologies and a shitty parent-company in Quirky.
that ship has sailed however so growth will need to happen in other areas.
apple was late to the subscription music scene so that didnt 'dazzle' like iphone and ipod launches.
who would you blame for that? steve's original agreements with the music industry created problems for changing the 99 cent song business model? or tim cook sitting around enjoying the windfall iphone profits not seeing the writing on the wall?
i think thats what dabig is saying; a true leader of a company continues to push the market and doesn't develop a me-too approach long after the spotifys, pandoras and google musics were out there.
their home automation product was pathetic. wink, as shitty as it is ran rings around this both with allowing just about every doodad out there to work with it and by stealing a page from apple's UI to develop an easy interface.
wink suffered from a lack of development resources, over-promising on emerging technologies and a shitty parent-company in Quirky.
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 8/26/16 at 1:30 pm to CAD703X
Cook is a filler, they need to be looking for someone to replace him. He has held the ship after losing someone like Jobs, but holding the ship won't keep the ship afloat forever.
They aren't done with home automation yet. The home stuff on iOS 10 isn't that bad. I've integrated most of my 3rd party stuff with it and no longer use the native apps. Still prefer Alexa though.
They aren't done with home automation yet. The home stuff on iOS 10 isn't that bad. I've integrated most of my 3rd party stuff with it and no longer use the native apps. Still prefer Alexa though.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 1:39 pm to GFunk
quote:Impactful? Maybe. But it's certainly not innovative. It's also certainly not something that will carry Apple into the future.
Online music was around before the iTunes Store as well. Denigrate all you want but if it's enough to shift the behavior of an entire industry it's impactful.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 1:46 pm to Korkstand
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Impactful? Maybe.
LoL, that's pretty bad you can't just say yes to the impact iTunes had on the music industry. That's so far away from a maybe it really just damages points you have made. Love or hate Apple, they have changed the world around them a few times and iTunes is one of those times. It's not going to last like you said, but it's for certain to have been impactful.
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 1:47 pm
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