re: The Largest Reddit Alternative Ever Made - IS SHUTTING DOWN

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Unlike Communist China we shouldn’t be censoring in America dumbass.

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I think you mean unlike communist china we shouldn't be telling private entities how to handle their business.

Arguing on the internet with strangers and going on and on mindlessly must be fun to you.

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Look, there is this huge, ridiculous "movement" these days where people seem to think that any speech, any idea, no matter how stupid or vile or whatever, is equally deserving of everyone else's attention, and should get equal "airtime" in front of everyone else's faces.

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this is retarded

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You gave prison as an example of legitimate marginalization in society ("Society *must* marginalize certain groups in order to function. See prisons.").

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So I make an off-handed reference to criminals as an example of necessary marginalization in society, and that opens the door for you to fear-monger as if getting banned from an online forum is a step away from being imprisoned?

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So I cited examples of good people imprisoned -- or worse -- for good deeds speaking truth to power.

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You cited examples to try to associate online trolls with Jesus.

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Responding to your hypothetical means I'm playing the victim? Come on dude. At least try to play honest here.

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You responded to the example (not a hypothetical) in the most laughable way possible. The vast majority of people in prison are there for good reason. The vast majority of trolls/communities who get banned from certain sites are banned for good reason (inciting violence, being assholes, etc). Instead you're trying to act like these types are like Jesus and fricking Galileo.

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So you missed the Antifa protest against him... where they called him a white supremacist, and refused to talk to him, and threatened to burn down the conference he was attending.

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I did miss that, but like I said I'm sure some have attacked him and his ways. But also like I said the vast majority appreciate what he does. The man gets a ton of respect from the left, the right, and those in between.

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Of course when I searched for this post, the only sources were right-leaning, so I'm sure you would have never read the story, already having cast such news sources in with kiddie porn peddlers

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Again, stop accusing me of that. I have been clear that I do not associate hard-right shite with kiddie porn peddlers. What I said was that those who take it too far inevitably end up with the dregs of society because those are the only places that don't ban them.

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These private entities like Google and Facebook have become public utilities in their dominance of their respective markets.

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If you think facebook is a utility, you might need to step away from social media for a while.

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Once you become a public utility there are appropriate restrictions on discrimination, biased censorship, etc. that should be in place.

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Ok, let's make google a public utility. Now the government has to control what gets put on and what gets taken down, right? Do you have any idea how expensive that will be? And do you know how big a failure it will be? It would destroy Google, then a new search engine will come along and become dominant, then the government will have to gobble that up too. Are you sure you want to go down this road, where the government controls what we see? Again, you people are suggesting that we act like china to avoid becoming china.

I can't even tell what you're trying to say anymore. I mean, it's clear that being banned from websites is nowhere near the same as being imprisoned, so just drop that schtick. The only similarity is that someone is marginalized, very often a necessary thing in functional society, which was the only purpose of mentioning it.

You've seemingly agreed that there must be *some* limits on speech, as I think we can all agree that kiddie porn should be banned everywhere.

So you and others in here just have a problem with where the market and society are drawing the lines of marginalization. You are insulted when your ideas sit outside the margins next to all the other undesirables. Some are suggesting that the government should be in charge of censorship instead of private entities, and *that's* how we can avoid becoming china. I mean, L-O-fricking-L.

Freedom isn't the absence of censorship. Freedom is having the right to choose, as individuals and a society.

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Korkstand got worked over here pretty good. Fun read.

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I find it entertaining how many conservatives these days are begging for big government heavy-handed authoritarian involvement in private business.

Your continued focus on the prison bit says a lot. It was simply an example of how marginalization of undesirables is necessary for a society to function. Bringing Jesus and Galileo into the conversation doesn't make that any less true.



Just say that you believe we need big government to save us from our own excess freedom and we can wrap this up.

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Do you really think my argument is that because Jesus and Galileo were imprisoned so prisons aren't necessary in society? WTF?

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No, how did you manage to come away with this take?

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Bringing Jesus and Galileo into the conversation was to say that being in prison doesn't make you automatically bad.

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Yes I understood your intent from the get-go, but you entered this thread accusing me of boxing people I simply disagree with into the "reprehensible" group, and you are going WAY the other way boxing them in with Jesus.

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That's FlexDawg, not me. If you are responding to my posts, don't put others' words in my mouth. I'm not suggesting for the government to do anything at all in this thread.

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Then stop beating this dead horse and spill it: what exactly are you suggesting, if anything? You said freedom of speech is deserving of protection. How is that to be accomplished? How should we do that if not via government involvement?

And who is the arbiter of which party's freedom of speech wins? Should I be free to post whatever the hell I want on TD, or should TD be free to moderate its content as it sees fit? I'm going to go with the latter, it ain't my property. I can't put up graffiti wherever I want.

And if I take my unwanted speech somewhere it is allowed, but that place and its content is so unwanted in society that it can't survive, where do I take my grievances? Who do I turn to to demand my voice be heard? If I were smart, I would take the Daryl Davis approach and use language that my opponents will listen to, right?