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The Largest Reddit Alternative Ever Made - IS SHUTTING DOWN
On December 21st 2020, the administrator of Voat announced its upcoming shutdown on December 25th 2020. Thus, I began work on this video, in the hopes for it to become a historical record on Voat's financial troubles and eventual decline. Its not as simple as "ran out of money", no matter what the faithful tell you. These people, who have faith in Ruqqus and Saidit and other Reddit Alternatives, will tell you "That could never happen to us!", but they are deluding themselves. Watch the video to see why.

Caveat! Being censored from google search results, kicked from paypal, blacklisted from web hosting providers - made this shutdown a certainty. Still, my contention is that even in the best circumstances, it would have fallen apart

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And nothing of value was lost


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And nothing of value was lost


Except freedom of speech.


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Except freedom of speech


We only protect that from the government, private companies can do whatever they want with censorship.


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Except freedom of speech.
What happened to yours?


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people like Korkstand love forcing ideas they simply disagree with into a box with reprehensible ideas
wtf?

Look, there is this huge, ridiculous "movement" these days where people seem to think that any speech, any idea, no matter how stupid or vile or whatever, is equally deserving of everyone else's attention, and should get equal "airtime" in front of everyone else's faces. Such entitlement. The world doesn't work that way. If the shite you want to talk about is stupid or hateful or otherwise not worthy of anyone's time, normal people don't want to deal with that shite and advertisers don't want to be associated with it and capitalism disposes of it.

It's not some global liberal censorship agenda, it's just that there's no place in the market for certain types of trash.


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It's not some global liberal censorship agenda, it's just that there's no place in the market for certain types of trash.


Hey look everyone, another test tube intellect. Get out of the lab and try to make a living in the real world. Leaches like you are a dime a dozen, children who never want to grow up.


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I'm a soy boy liberal type and I like that people can voice their opinions on TD.com without having them suppressed.

I'm in the minority on this board and yet my voice is allowed to exist, for better or worse. While, I don't think we should force private businesses to do that, it is how I think things should be.

I'm not a fan of twitter, google, reddit, etc shaping what is accepted ideology and what isn't. Reddit is so censored that it isn't productive. It may be legal but it is still dangerous.


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Did you even bother to read my post?
I did.
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Because your response perfectly demonstrates my accusation.
It doesn't, but it makes sense that you think it does.
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I said you love to box speech you disagree with in with fringe hateful/disgusting politics, and your response was it's all "liberal censorship agenda globalism conspiracy theory"

Speech that I disagree with is not censored on any platform of note, nor do I think it should be. And there is some downright crazy and hateful shite all over facebook/reddit/etc. But if either of us is boxing that stuff in with the stuff that does get removed, it's you.

Back to my original point, if this trash (and to be clear, not simply conservative "views", but the actual trash) had any value, sites like Voat would be able to sustain themselves with advertising, investment, or user contributions. But they can't. And if the people using these sites don't even find them worthy of contributing valuable content or even money directly to keep them afloat, what makes you think the rest of the world will do it?

It's not me boxing the "disagreeable" in with the disgusting, they're doing it to themselves. I know where the line is, I know the difference. Do you?


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Ever the victim, eh?

Marginalization is not a dirty word or inherently a bad thing. Society *must* marginalize certain groups in order to function. See prisons. But there is a clear delineation between marginalizing someone for who/what they intrinsically are vs. who/what they choose to be and do. All men may be created equal, but where we take it from there is up to us. And our actions have consequences.

If you do and say things that inevitably land you in the same bin as kiddie porn peddlers and the like, will you ever take a look around and ask yourself where you've gone wrong? Or is everyone else always wrong and you always the victim?


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Oh, and Merry Christmas, ya jackasses.


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private companies can do whatever they want with censorship.


Then they can get the frick out of America.


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private companies can do whatever they want with censorship.
Then they can get the frick out of America.
You seem to have a severe misunderstanding of what it means to be free.


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My point was not about the pros and cons of marginalizing groups, but rather your theory that those marginalized always deserve to be, because if they didn't they wouldn't be.
My theory, if that's what you'd like to call it, is that if nobody cares about your message, nobody has to read or listen to it. If you write a book that no one wants to read, barnes and noble doesn't have to put it on the shelf (nor does any other platform). No publisher has to publish it. Is that unfair? Is that unequal treatment?
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Oh, here we go again. Now people you disagree with deserve to belong in the same bin as kiddie porn peddlers.
I never said that's what they "deserve". I said if that's what your preferred content ends up bundled with in the marketplace of ideas, maybe it's time for some self-reflection.
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You have zero self-awareness.

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(eta: voat also doesn't/didn't tolerate child porn, so this is yet another off-topic invented smear intended to group disagreement with society's worst behaviors)
Again, big difference between disagreement and fabrications passed as truth. And I could have sworn that voat had a kiddie porn problem at one time, but if not my mistake. However I'm happy that you seemingly agree that we should marginalize speech that is clearly harmful to others.
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I didn't say either of these things Try to respond to my actual points, not the hard-right reactionary strawman you're concocting
You don't think you are doing the same to me? I'm a pretty reasonable person, not "hard" anything. I'm definitely not lumping opposing views and disagreement into the bucket of rightfully marginalized content, as you keep accusing me of doing.


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But reading the synopsis of the video shoots down your conjecture about not being able to get advertisers or donors. The owner refused to ask for donations and refused to run ads, apparently.
That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The site has been on the verge of running out of money for years. An angel investor came in last year I believe, but then defaulted. That type of content is just not profitable.
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But of course, this this "huge, ridiculous 'movement'" (your words) is so tremendously huge that it consists of "nobody".
I almost wrote "nobody who matters", but that seemed a bit harsh. It's just people looking for a place to vent. Few seem willing to invest enough to sustain it, because again, it's not profitable. There is just no value in the ideas or content.
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Is it that nobody wants to read these things? If that was the case, why are there so many people clamoring about the censorship?

We're talking about massive subreddits on topics you disagree with getting banned and finding refuge elsewhere. I don't think we'd be having this discussion if Reddit purged subreddits with extremely little activity. On the contrary, subreddits are banned because they are controversial and gained attention through growth.
Because that's the whole point of the "movement", to stir people up. Go to voat.co right now, it says it was "sacrificed" for the cause. A martyr, lol. It's people throwing a hissy fit because they get dropped by people who need to turn a profit, because they not only bring no value but they bring negative value.
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Except it isn't bundled with that in the marketplace of ideas. It's bundled with that stuff due to other factors.
What "other factors" are not part of the marketplace?
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But more importantly, throughout history speaking truth to power has always meant being pushed out of society or worse
"Truth".
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no institution is above acting in monstrous ways. Jesus was crucified by the state and Galileo was imprisoned by the church.
No one is being killed or imprisoned, and it's absurd to try to make this comparison. Like I said and you denied, you're working that victim angle too hard.
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I'd love to end harmful speech, but I would take the Daryl Davis approach. I'd prefer to have a discussion in which all parties learn and the harmful speech is ended voluntarily through greater understanding, not by force. Of course, the far left has called him a nazi because he talked to the KKK and helped them understand the error of their ways, instead of violence (hurr durr punch a nazi!).
I love Daryl Davis and his approach, and afaik the vast majority of the left does, as well. I have never, ever seen anyone speak ill of him. I mean I'm sure some have, but you are really reaching hard here in acting like that's common.


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