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re: Rumor:. Apple announcing imessage for Android next week
Posted on 6/12/16 at 12:44 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 6/12/16 at 12:44 am to Pettifogger
Because the solution shouldn't be another app to download and replace my preferred messaging app.
People are calling it stupid and pointless because if they really wanted to provide their customers with a real solution they would work together to create a messaging standard that all apps can use. This way users could be given a choice as to what app they prefer to use across platforms.
Instead it's called a waste of time because they feel the need to create another front facing solution to force down the consumers throat. Instead of spending those resources and time making messaging "just work" on the backend.
People are calling it stupid and pointless because if they really wanted to provide their customers with a real solution they would work together to create a messaging standard that all apps can use. This way users could be given a choice as to what app they prefer to use across platforms.
Instead it's called a waste of time because they feel the need to create another front facing solution to force down the consumers throat. Instead of spending those resources and time making messaging "just work" on the backend.
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Posted on 6/12/16 at 9:57 am to tgrgrd00
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tgrgrd00
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Because the solution shouldn't be another app to download and replace my preferred messaging app.
People are calling it stupid and pointless because if they really wanted to provide their customers with a real solution they would work together to create a messaging standard that all apps can use. This way users could be given a choice as to what app they prefer to use across platforms.
Instead it's called a waste of time because they feel the need to create another front facing solution to force down the consumers throat. Instead of spending those resources and time making messaging "just work" on the backend.
Has Android created this solution for you so far? Oh and why hasn't your preferred app created the solution that you are dogging Apple for? I'm genuinely curious.
Posted on 6/12/16 at 5:13 pm to GFunk
The concern is whether it's implemented as well as it is on Apple devices. Otherwise, the other features and benefits mean nothing if all it does is fragment your methods of communication.
First and foremost, will it be able to serve as your default SMS app, or will it be a standalone messaging app that can only be used to send and receive messages from Apple IDs?
Will SMS/iMessage be seamless like it is on iPhone, where you don't have to know the person's Apple ID in order to communicate with them through iMessage (it's detected automatically), or will I need to specifically add Apple IDs to my SMS contacts in order to benefit from iMessage's discriminators (uncompressed videos and photos, encryption, etc. as stated in this thread)?
Will iMessage conversations be integrated with SMS, or will they show up as separate conversations from SMS messages between the same person?
When an iPhone user adds an Android user's phone number to a group text, will iMessage automatically detect that the user's phone number is associated with an iMessage account and thus prevent those pesky group message problems cited in this thread?
Those things determine whether it's going to be a solution that Android users care about, or just another messaging app to muddy the waters. If the answers to those questions are favorable, I'll ditch Hangouts in a heartbeat. The seamless implementation is something I'd expect of Apple (as they've done on their own hardware), but it's not something I'd expect them to do on Android. At least not historically.
You have to look at it from an Android user's perspective. We have tons of choices (Stock Android is a blank canvas), but with that freedom comes massive fragmentation (which also has its upsides and downsides). The announcement of any new app, particularly one for any sort of communication, is greeted with apathy. Not just because it's Apple (though some people here--on both sides--maintain the dismissable sentiment that every brand is crappy except the ones they buy). We already have our established means of communicating with people, and any reason to disrupt or change it better be damned compelling.
First and foremost, will it be able to serve as your default SMS app, or will it be a standalone messaging app that can only be used to send and receive messages from Apple IDs?
Will SMS/iMessage be seamless like it is on iPhone, where you don't have to know the person's Apple ID in order to communicate with them through iMessage (it's detected automatically), or will I need to specifically add Apple IDs to my SMS contacts in order to benefit from iMessage's discriminators (uncompressed videos and photos, encryption, etc. as stated in this thread)?
Will iMessage conversations be integrated with SMS, or will they show up as separate conversations from SMS messages between the same person?
When an iPhone user adds an Android user's phone number to a group text, will iMessage automatically detect that the user's phone number is associated with an iMessage account and thus prevent those pesky group message problems cited in this thread?
Those things determine whether it's going to be a solution that Android users care about, or just another messaging app to muddy the waters. If the answers to those questions are favorable, I'll ditch Hangouts in a heartbeat. The seamless implementation is something I'd expect of Apple (as they've done on their own hardware), but it's not something I'd expect them to do on Android. At least not historically.
You have to look at it from an Android user's perspective. We have tons of choices (Stock Android is a blank canvas), but with that freedom comes massive fragmentation (which also has its upsides and downsides). The announcement of any new app, particularly one for any sort of communication, is greeted with apathy. Not just because it's Apple (though some people here--on both sides--maintain the dismissable sentiment that every brand is crappy except the ones they buy). We already have our established means of communicating with people, and any reason to disrupt or change it better be damned compelling.
Posted on 6/12/16 at 5:50 pm to tgrgrd00
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if they really wanted to provide their customers with a real solution they would work together to create a messaging standard that all apps can use. This way users could be given a choice as to what app they prefer to use across platforms.
That would be quite an act of altruism. The messaging standard you speak of -- one with app choices -- is called SMS/MMS. It's also the most popular way Americans communicate on their smartphones, because changing the habits of other people is hard work. Messaging services have aimed to offer alternatives to SMS/MMS -- primarily, the alternatives appealed to those who wanted to circumvent SMS/MMS, which was still heavily monetized at the time. Now, it's just a battle of features (superior to SMS/MMS) and popularity.
I don't think these companies intend to join hands so that consumers don't have to deal with the burden of choice. All that would do is desaturate the market and make room for other companies, and the cycle continues, where the only means of short-term survival is latching onto whatever is already the most popular.
Posted on 6/12/16 at 7:07 pm to ILikeLSUToo
For starters let me preface my response to you by saying I'm not some Apple Fanboi. Hell I bought my niece and nephew Amazon Tablets and I am a huge Amazon Fan and have posted often and enthusiastically about Fi, Fiber, Ara and other fantastic Google initiatives. I'm not anti-Android though I am quite pleased with iOS.
Now that that's out of the way...
Would having access to more seamlessly communicate with one of the two dominant worldwide handset OS' via messaging not be compelling?
Your reply was eloquent and chock full of information, but how do you not see the constant threads here complaining about the group message issues (that you actually reference in your post so perhaps you do)? This is potentially a means to solve those issues and communicate with-literally-a billion active, in-use Apple devices.
If you feel that is not compelling, I'd appreciate hearing what your version of it is.
Now that that's out of the way...
Would having access to more seamlessly communicate with one of the two dominant worldwide handset OS' via messaging not be compelling?
Your reply was eloquent and chock full of information, but how do you not see the constant threads here complaining about the group message issues (that you actually reference in your post so perhaps you do)? This is potentially a means to solve those issues and communicate with-literally-a billion active, in-use Apple devices.
If you feel that is not compelling, I'd appreciate hearing what your version of it is.
Posted on 6/12/16 at 8:16 pm to GFunk
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Would having access to more seamlessly communicate with one of the two dominant worldwide handset OS' via messaging not be compelling?
Yes, it would be. Keyword, seamlessly, and that includes seamlessness with the most popular means of communication on America's smartphone user base. I made that pretty clear in my post above. I also attempted to explain why there might be Android users (not just those who auto-reject all things Apple) who are skeptical or dismissive of the news. But to add to that, Apple does not have a history of playing nice with the competition. For Apple to implement one of its services on the Android platform and allow it to function as well as it does on its own platform would be unprecedented, as far as I know.
It's reasonable enough to assume/worry that this iMessage implementation will just be a closed app that only lets you communicate with your iPhone friends as a means of offering a proprietary solution to a problem that Apple inarguably created with the same proprietary solution. Honestly, more important than iMessage's awesomeness is how likely it will change Android users' habits.
This post was edited on 6/12/16 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:34 am to ILikeLSUToo
I think the one thing many Android users underestimate is how many iOS users there are. That ability to communicate with them properly is compelling.
Whether it replaces all other messaging apps, I doubt it. Does not mean it will not be hugely successful.
Whether it replaces all other messaging apps, I doubt it. Does not mean it will not be hugely successful.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 1:28 am to GFunk
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Would having access to more seamlessly communicate with one of the two dominant worldwide handset OS' via messaging not be compelling?
Not if I have to have an AppleID it's not.
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That ability to communicate with them properly is compelling.
This makes no sense to me. I can communicate just fine with Apple sheep.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 1:30 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 7:59 am to SG_Geaux
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Not if I have to have an AppleID it's not.
Maybe they could just use your phone number, but I'm thinking you'll need an AppleID, and if you're one of the Android people that has problems with cross platform group texts you'll have no problems giving your email address to yet another company. Whether iMessage expands beyond the people that have problems texting with iPhones depends on what kind of value add Apple brings with it. Currently they don't even have a web version of iMessage. If they want to become ubiquitous then iMessage should work everywhere with at least have a web version.
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I can communicate just fine with Apple sheep.
It's a very common problem. The group messaging issue is fairly well documented, but it's not just that. I know my wife has had issues with specific Android coworkers getting her iPhone texts in the past. She messed around with the settings on both phones trying to figure it out and could resolve the problem.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 8:08 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:01 am to TigerinATL
I had the problem when I switched from iPhone to Android. The solution was:
1. Deregister my number from iMessage.
2. Ask certain people to delete their conversations with me and remove and re-add my contact entry.
Number 1 solved 90% of the problem, and Number 2 solved the other 10%. But, that's just a well-documented issue with people who switch platforms. It's not related to the group messaging problem in which Android users' reply to a group message get sent as individual conversations to iPhone users. It's 100% an Apple problem. Perhaps the reason no other messaging service is as seamlessly integrated is because no one knows how to solve that problem, but Apple didn't give a shite until now, when other messaging services are posing a threat all while hardware sales are slowing. I imagine Apple shareholders are putting the pressure on.
1. Deregister my number from iMessage.
2. Ask certain people to delete their conversations with me and remove and re-add my contact entry.
Number 1 solved 90% of the problem, and Number 2 solved the other 10%. But, that's just a well-documented issue with people who switch platforms. It's not related to the group messaging problem in which Android users' reply to a group message get sent as individual conversations to iPhone users. It's 100% an Apple problem. Perhaps the reason no other messaging service is as seamlessly integrated is because no one knows how to solve that problem, but Apple didn't give a shite until now, when other messaging services are posing a threat all while hardware sales are slowing. I imagine Apple shareholders are putting the pressure on.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 9:03 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:04 am to ILikeLSUToo
I wouldn't be surprised if this rumor turned out to be false.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 9:13 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:16 am to ILikeLSUToo
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I had the problem when I switched from iPhone to Android. The solution was:
1. Deregister my number from iMessage.
2. Ask certain people to delete their conversations with me and remove and re-add my contact entry.
That issue makes sense though. For whatever stupid reason Apple still is sending messages as iMessages instead of SMS. My wife's only smartphones have been iPhones and she never communicated with these Android users before, there should be no built in "stuck in iMessage" problem. I don't know if the problem was on the iPhone or Android end, it just it was a problem. I also doubt her coworkers would have changed their text app just to fix it. But if Apple is getting into Android messaging maybe they'll squash some of the other bugs along the way.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:28 am to colorchangintiger
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I wouldn't be surprised if this rumor turned out to be false.
They just invested $1 billion in the Uber of China. They've been trying hard to get marketshare in China for a while. The rumors from your WWDC thread says they are bringing Apple Pay to iMessage. Expanding iMessage and therefore Apple Pay to Android might end up being huge in Asia. I think it makes sense, but the motivation may not be the US market because that's not where they'll be able to monetize it, and it might even cannibalize sales some.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 9:29 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:59 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:35 pm to UltimateHog
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Yeah this is pretty weird and pointless.
I disagree. There are several places I have WIFI, but not any service. At least with IMessage you can still text with WiFI if you need anything.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 1:46 pm to colorchangintiger
Bummer, would have been huge
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:29 pm to Pettifogger
I just want the ability to remove myself from family group imessage conversations from my android.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:38 pm to colorchangintiger
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Lossless (uncompressed) video
This seems pretty obsolete. Should've used mkv
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 6/13/16 at 3:45 pm to CCTider
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This seems pretty obsolete. Should've used mkv
You're misunderstanding me. If you send a 1080p video file over MMS, it's pixelated and compressed to shite to the receiver. You send it over iMessage and it looks like it was intended to look.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:07 am to GenesChin
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just want the ability to remove myself from family group imessage conversations from my android.
Just mute it
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