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re: Nexus thread: 2015 N5 and N6 Edition Revealed; Waiting Room

Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:09 pm to
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29053 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:09 pm to
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What does unlocking the bootloader/rooting enable? iPhone sheep here... I jailbreak all of my iPhones, but it's generally to do things that Android can already do without being rooted... I think.
An iOS jailbreak does basically 3 things: allows you to sideload apps, gives you administrative/root privileges, and allows you to modify the OS. On Android, sideloading is allowed on stock, root privileges are obviously granted by rooting, and the ability to modify/replace the OS requires an unlocked bootloader.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:25 pm to
Updated to lollipop. It's a little slow but it shall do. I have a nexus 7 2012.

I love android tablets. I have an iPhone 5s, which is get for cellular mobile use, but once office comes to lollipop (I had the preview on kitkat 4.4.4) I thjnk android tablets will reign supreme
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:34 pm to
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allows you to modify the OS.


What level of modifications are we talking about? It sounds like I may not even care about rooting, or that I should at least take time to learn Android before I start fricking with it. The reason I've stuck with iPhone for so long is that my mobile requirements have always been simple, but I'm just in the mood to try something new.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29053 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:56 pm to
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What level of modifications are we talking about?
Well, an unlocked bootloader removes signature checks, so you are free to replace the entire OS. Some people like installing ROMs even on Nexus devices just for a few extra features, but it sounds like you would be fine just getting timely official updates without unlocking.

I would recommend rooting eventually, though. I think you can root without unlocking the bootloader, but most tools and step-by-step guides will probably unlock it anyway. Personally, I love having a custom recovery because you can do a full imaged backup of the phone straight to the device's storage, which you can then copy to another location. There are lots of "power user" apps on the play store that require root, as well, and it's nice being able to install them and use all their features.
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It sounds like I may not even care about rooting, or that I should at least take time to learn Android before I start fricking with it. The reason I've stuck with iPhone for so long is that my mobile requirements have always been simple, but I'm just in the mood to try something new.
Yeah, at least take a couple weeks or months to see what it does for you. There will be a lot for you to explore before you even think about throwing rooting and ROMs into the mix.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:01 pm to
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Personally, I love having a custom recovery because you can do a full imaged backup of the phone straight to the device's storage, which you can then copy to another location.


This would be handy. iTunes backup is frustrating if you make the mistake of using two phones with one computer. I'd like to store a full image of my phone as a backup. This requires rooting?
Posted by whodatfan
Member since Mar 2008
21967 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:10 pm to
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ILikeLSUToo


Dude, are you kidding me? You're one of the smartest frickers around here. Hell yes rooting and roms are right up your alley. If you are gonna go android, then do it full bore. Get the 6, and root that bitch. Only then will you feel the full power of the android my friend. I'd be disappointed if you and your tech prowess shunned the holy grail of the android OS that is the root user.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29053 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:12 pm to
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I'd like to store a full image of my phone as a backup. This requires rooting?
I am a little iffy about what exactly is required for which specific things, and I think it may even vary by phone depending on the root or unlock process.

But as far as I know, only a custom recovery is required in order to do an image (Nandroid) backup (unless the device manufacturer provides software to do it on a PC). An unlocked bootloader may be required in order to install a custom recovery, but I'm not sure. I don't think rooting is required at all.

Can someone else clarify?
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:26 pm to
I don't generally jump into things like that without knowing why I'd want to in the first place, as well as full knowledge on how to fix it if something were to go wrong. The problem is I'm 99% in the dark when it comes to everything Android. I've never used a phone with Android for more than a few minutes, and that was years ago. I guess I just need to look for a list of all the things you can do with a rooted nexus vs. non-rooted.

In the past, I jailbroke iphones for the following features:
1. App piracy, which I know can be done on Android without rooting.
2. Ad-free, unlimited-skip Pandora, which I am pretty sure doesn't require rooting.
3. Blocking numbers (before iOS 7), unsure of the Android option for this but I trust that it exists and works fine.
4. Unauthorized hidden tethering with PDAnet, which can be done on unrooted android by sideloading pdanet.
5. Free in-app purchases for apps that don't require server validation of purchases.(this might require rooting)

But I'm sure there's so much more that can be done, but my knowledge here is limited by apathy towards mobile devices and the constraints of the iPhone in general.
This post was edited on 11/18/14 at 2:28 pm
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:37 pm to
Maria from AT&T chat told me this just now:

Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29053 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:42 pm to
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I guess I just need to look for a list of all the things you can do with a rooted nexus vs. non-rooted.

A few things I think you might be interested in doing with root:

Better, more detailed battery statistics
CPU tuning
Adblock
Greenify (basically lets you imprison other apps that may hog battery in the background)
Per-app network stats and logging
Titanium backup (per-app backups, including settings)
Tasker (deserves its own thread, works fine without root but some tasks do require root)
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:47 pm to
Knowing the little bit I have gathered about you from reading your posts on the interwebs, I get the feeling that once you get Android in your hands, learn it, and tinker with it, you're going to love it. Then it won't be long before you are rooting and modifying your OS or kernel.
Posted by guedeaux
Member since Jan 2008
13830 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:04 pm to
quote:

I am a little iffy about what exactly is required for which specific things, and I think it may even vary by phone depending on the root or unlock process.

But as far as I know, only a custom recovery is required in order to do an image (Nandroid) backup (unless the device manufacturer provides software to do it on a PC). An unlocked bootloader may be required in order to install a custom recovery, but I'm not sure. I don't think rooting is required at all.

Can someone else clarify?


There is safestrap recovery for several phones with a locked bootloader. You can still flash custom ROMs but, aside for a few, the ROMs must be from the same system. Also, with safestrap you can do Nandroid backups. And rooting is definitely required on samsung devices (I have only messed with my S4... for now)
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
68531 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:36 pm to
Reddit is saying chat is telling them ships tomorrow. Ugh.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 4:49 pm to
Chat is telling people different things. I just got back on the chat to try again. "Myesha" then tells me:



I asked her to connect me to a 'supervisor' (whatever that means in chat... could've just been 'Myesha' changing names).

Here's the chat with the supervisor:



We may not get a damned thing this week, or next week.
Posted by h0bnail
Member since Sep 2009
7628 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 5:06 pm to
Could be or it's highly possible that she doesn't know shite either. I doubt I'll have any success, but I may check a couple of stores tomorrow afternoon, if it hasn't shipped.
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
68531 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 5:26 pm to
I'd bet it ships out tomorrow. They haven't shipped a single one yet so no way are some not shipping when expected. They have an initial inventory of them.

I'm expecting tomorrow. Otherwise I may cancel and wait for Moto or Play Store in a few weeks.
Posted by PuntBamaPunt
Member since Nov 2010
10070 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:25 pm to
haven't followed these much since they weren't available on verizon but did the price double from the 5 to 6? 350 to 650?
Posted by h0bnail
Member since Sep 2009
7628 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:26 pm to
Check your order status, muhfuggaz.


Posted by wizziko
New Jersey Nets Fan
Member since Jan 2006
35881 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:32 pm to
Marques Brownlee doesn't have good things to say about the battery life either
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:52 pm to
Mine still says the same thing.
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