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Need shareable storage in my house, not sure which route to go

Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:06 am
Posted by tigertail34
Mandeville, LA
Member since Jul 2004
946 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:06 am
My wife and I currently run a few small businesses from our kitchen table as well as on different jobsites/properties.

We both use laptops and phones to conduct business.

We were using a google drive to share between computers and such but recently reached the storage capacity of my laptop with and was not able to store anymore on the google drive?

We also have 3 kids who are are on gaming systems/streaming as well as all of our viewing is through streaming services.

We would like to be able to share our files and have access to one location with folders from any location, so looking into the best route to help make this work.

I would also like to backup all of our info/data since it is both impotant business documents and personal photos/files wewould hate to lose.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
18833 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:39 am to
For ease of use, probably best to go with a QNAP or Synology NAS, buy redundant drives, and you're off and running.

For something more scalable, TrueNAS is definitely the way to go. It's what I personally use for my home and cloud storage.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
19991 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:40 am to
if getting a cloud drive large enough is too expensive, get some network attached storage (NAS) and you can share all info from that to any computer.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
34958 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:50 am to
Just to add on to the other replies if you want to keep using google drive to remotely access or backup to the cloud most NASs will allow you to connect your google account in order to send the information from the NAS for backup or share data both directions to remotely access and save the information back to your NAS.
Posted by tigertail34
Mandeville, LA
Member since Jul 2004
946 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:54 am to
With the Synology it looks like I buy the NAS unit and then the drives?

Is Amazon the best place to purchase?

So in theory myself, wife and each child could have a folder and access it whenever/wherever they want correct?

Im a windows style with 10,0000 folders for everything to try and stay somewhat organized!

Posted by whiskey over ice
Member since Sep 2020
3571 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:56 am to
the Microsoft Office 365 subscription is pretty cheap and comes with 1TB of OneDrive
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
19991 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:56 am to
quote:

So in theory myself, wife and each child could have a folder and access it whenever/wherever they want correct?

Im a windows style with 10,0000 folders for everything to try and stay somewhat organized!


Yes, a NAS can provide that. To keep it simple, make sure the NAS has an app for all systems you will be using. Apps can make transfers super easy, especially away from home. W/out apps, you can use the NAS at home easily enough but using it away from home might get a bit tricky and require some advanced setup.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
9948 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 12:18 pm to
Correct on how you purchase. Look at NewEgg as well in addition to Amazon. Even if you buy a five drive unit, you don’t need five drives to start.

I won’t get into exactly how many in each type of RAID, etc. there is a calculator on the synology website. Don’t buy the biggest drives available, go a couple of TB “down” to save money. Always buy NAS rated drives (red label for western digital.) I took a perfectly functioning black (non NAS rated drive) in as a fourth drive in the NAS and the extra vibration killed it in under a month.

It may be worth it to buy from a well rated seller in eBay, the NAS shell essentially has one moving part (the fan,) and I haven’t killed one yet. Like most NAS buyers, I bought one, and then upgraded it within 3 years, and now have an empty 1520+ sitting in a box, lol.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
9948 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 12:27 pm to
Oh, and if there is a device you want a battery backup on, I’d stick one on a NAS faster than I would my internet gateway and router.

For remote access, search for the KB video “How to configure port forwarding to remotely access your synology NAS,” and you’ll get a three minute run down. I use multi factor authentication and all kinds of other crap which makes it harder for me to connect remotely than the rest of the user world. But, you can also set up folder sync with simple apps that will upload/download when you go local again.

You’re likely going to want to back up portions of your NAS to another NAS or to cloud service like S3 Glacier, or Backblaze B2 NAS cloud backup (which I use.)
Posted by ColdDuck
BR via da Parish
Member since Sep 2006
2890 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 12:30 pm to
How much storage do you need? Sounds way overkill for a couple of TB. Pay Microsoft or Google a few more bucks a month vs spending 1k and frustration on setup and support if you are not IT savvy.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11666 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

We were using a google drive to share between computers and such but recently reached the storage capacity of my laptop with and was not able to store anymore on the google drive?

OP - I know everyone is talking about NAS and other cloud storage alternatives, but this may be a simple fix.

Google Drive has two settings: “stream” or “mirror.” When you “stream,” the files are not permanently stored on your device. They’re downloaded to your device from the cloud whenever you open them. When you “mirror,” the files are stored both on your device and in the cloud. Google Drive will sync the cloud version whenever you make changes to the file locally (or vice versa).

When you sync local files/folders on your device to Google Drive, you can only mirror. But your actual MyDrive can be set to either mirror or stream. If you’re saying you ran out of Google Drive storage because your laptop is full, it makes me think you have it set to mirror or you aren’t using MyDrive at all and are only using mirrored local folders.

Here’s a Google support article explaining the difference and how to change the settings: LINK

If you have your MyDrive set to mirror, you might be able to free up space on your laptop and gain additional Google Drive storage just by switching it to stream. The downside, of course, is that you need an internet connection to access streamed files.

FWIW OneDrive has similar functionality, but you can mirror/unload individual files/folders to manage local storage. At least the enterprise version of OneDrive. I was kind of shocked when I realized how much storage space was being used on my work laptop by OneDrive sync.
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
15635 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 4:25 pm to
Can you increase your Google drive space? Would likely be easier and cheaper then setting up and maintaining a NAS.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 10:46 pm to
Synology is a little pricey but dead simple, reliable, and useful.

I have one at home, one at work.
At work, it’s a domain server, each user has a private folder, access to certain shares depending on roles, and each entire computer is imaged nightly for replacement should a failure happen (and then I just have a simple RAID1).


At home, wife + my photos back up into a single stream, then I have shares for each of my siblings to do the same with selected photos (so we all dump into a common path for shared albums that anyone can have access to). I did give them each a little share with unique ID and password, but none have a real need for such a thing (I just have gig up/down service without real storage limits which could occasionally be a useful thing in some circumstances).
I image every computer in the house nightly as well


I do wish there was a better iPhone backup on it, but overall, the device is solid. I think I have an 1821+ at home and 1621+ at the office. Plenty for what I need. If I want virtualization, I’ll buy a used SFF desktop long before I shell out for a Xeon model. The specs, though meager, are adequate for everything I’ve used it for.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
9948 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:32 pm to
quote:

Synology is a little pricey but dead simple, reliable, and useful.


I’m assuming you’re married and have figured out that spending an extra $100 to not be assaulted with questions as your flight is boarding has value.

I suffered hard from, I can make it work, why can’t you, syndrome before my 40s. I could save money, and they’d never use the fancy bulbs, audio or light strips unless it was operable by a non verbal third grader. This is how you end up in non price optimal ecosystems, but it’s fine. Lay back and enjoy not getting phone calls.
Posted by Stexas
SWLA
Member since May 2013
6543 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:10 am to
quote:

LemmyLives

Bro up in here waxing poetic life advice far beyond the average mouth breathing OT baw’s grasp. Pop always asking me, “son, who has the brain? You or the hammer?”

Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:13 am to
quote:

I’m assuming you’re married and have figured out that spending an extra $100 to not be assaulted with questions as your flight is boarding has value.



I have reached that point.


Particularly with synology, I look and see the hardware. And I realize how much effort it wouldn’t take to build something with double, triple the specs. Same with a $100 RAM upgrade in an Apple product.


The other realization I’ve come to, particularly with regards to these to companies (and I’m no Apple Fanboi, but see your point above), is that these aren’t the hardware prices. They’re the software prices that come locked to hardware. You’ll never replicate either ecosystem without buying their hardware. Therefor, you’re not overpaying for the hardware at all, you’re just buying their software bundle. And while I was/am huge into, “oh, let me find an open-source clone/model,” sometimes the OEM stuff is just a tad better and easier for everyone (even though I could make it work 99% the same with a different step or two along the way).
Posted by Stexas
SWLA
Member since May 2013
6543 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:25 am to
This is exactly why the Logitech Harmony system was so popular in my household. Simple easy to use. Keeps the noise about it “not working” to a minimum.
Posted by baseballmind1212
Missouri City
Member since Feb 2011
3345 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 8:02 am to
I too suffer from being the IT support from my house.

Recently got a synology NAS. Set up the app on my kid/wives phones, all the family pictures are now in one place, their phones all set to automatically back up once a week.

I also have scanned and stored i.portant docs (health bills for future use with HSA, insurance docs etc.) In a nice neat little folder with sub folder for different categories.

The amount of IT support phone calls I've gotten have diminished substantially. I had a 1 month transition period to get it up and running correctly before I'd let the family touch it.


Now if only I could get my home assistant setup to run as smoothly.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28996 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 9:25 am to
quote:

You’re likely going to want to back up portions of your NAS to another NAS or to cloud service like S3 Glacier, or Backblaze B2 NAS cloud backup (which I use.)

I'll stress this a bit more, backups are crucial (especially if you are running businesses) and while a NAS can be a good piece of your backup strategy, you need more than that.

Follow the 3-2-1 backup rule: 3+ copies of important data on 2+ different types of storage with 1+ off-site. I will also add that you should have immutable snapshots or version history of files in the case of a ransomware attack. Nothing worse than having your files locked and then checking your backups and they're all locked too.

The cloud services handle pretty much all of that for you. You typically have a local copy, and the cloud service stores multiple off-site copies and sometimes with version history as well. If you switch to a local NAS, you should arrange your own off-site backup and immutable snapshots. I believe Synology has tools to make this easy.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
18833 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 9:33 am to
Best way to handle offsite storage is to throw a NAS in a family members house that has ATT fiber My setup (personal, no business) is awesomely jank

50tb (5x10tb raid0) production gets backed up nightly to my 54tb (3x18tb raid0) local backup, which then gets non-Plex media backed up offsite to my 16tb NAS (2x16tb in raid1)

Running both of my local arrays not in raid0 is just wasted capacity. If both of them were to fail at the exact same time then I would probably have much bigger issues to figure out
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