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re: In process of building a house, cameras etc? Update and more questions
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:53 am to deathinthedelta
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:53 am to deathinthedelta
Thanks for all the feedback.
I'm considering just trying to run the wiring myself.
One question. What type of wire would I need to run from my camera system to my television to use the TV as a monitor? Should be no more than 35' long.
ETA: Is there any reason that I shouldn't run Cat6 through the same holes in the studs as the 110v that the electricians ran?
I'm considering just trying to run the wiring myself.
One question. What type of wire would I need to run from my camera system to my television to use the TV as a monitor? Should be no more than 35' long.
ETA: Is there any reason that I shouldn't run Cat6 through the same holes in the studs as the 110v that the electricians ran?
This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 9:55 am
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Posted on 8/10/20 at 4:39 am to Grassy1
I don’t think you can run low voltage wiring in the same hole as high voltage per electrical code, but I could be wrong.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 8:11 am to jennyjones
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Run Cat 6 Everywhere
FIFY
Posted on 8/10/20 at 1:58 pm to deathinthedelta
quote:
I don’t think you can run low voltage wiring in the same hole as high voltage per electrical code, but I could be wrong.
Running it parallel will create major interference for the low voltage
Posted on 8/10/20 at 6:45 pm to VermilionTiger
And talk about fighting gremlins trying to diagnose that!
Posted on 8/11/20 at 11:04 am to SG_Geaux
This is not to anyone specific, but help me out.
With WiFi being faster and increasingly capable and ubiquitous, why the need for Ethernet access everywhere? Security and what else?
With WiFi being faster and increasingly capable and ubiquitous, why the need for Ethernet access everywhere? Security and what else?
This post was edited on 8/11/20 at 11:15 am
Posted on 8/15/20 at 9:35 pm to turkish
quote:
With WiFi being faster and increasingly capable and ubiquitous, why the need for Ethernet access everywhere? Security and what else?
Obviously, since I started this thread, I'm no expert on this. But from what I've read, wireless is good/convenient, but not as fast nor dependable as a wired setup.
Back to subject... Okay, I've wired anywhere I might want a camera with Cat6, and most places I even ran dual Cat6. Also did this to where I might want a TV.
Where else might I want a Cat6 or other wire? I'm certainly not tech savvy so not up to date on what I might want now or later.
Help appreciated!!
Posted on 11/28/20 at 3:10 pm to Grassy1
Alright, smart folks of the Tech Board,
I prewired a bunch of Cat6 everywhere I could think of. House is almost complete.
I'd like to start setting up a camera/security system. I guess my main goal is simply to be able to monitor and record activity. Ultimately, I'd like to have about 8 cameras, but I have run wiring for a few more than that.
Suggestion as for where should I start as far as a system?
I prewired a bunch of Cat6 everywhere I could think of. House is almost complete.
I'd like to start setting up a camera/security system. I guess my main goal is simply to be able to monitor and record activity. Ultimately, I'd like to have about 8 cameras, but I have run wiring for a few more than that.
Suggestion as for where should I start as far as a system?
Posted on 11/28/20 at 3:46 pm to Grassy1
There are *so* many options here, and lots of considerations.
1. Budget?
2. Do you prefer a standards-based system where you can swap out camera and NVR brands and have it all work, or more of a closed system?
3. Are you opposed to stuff made in China?
4. Do you want your surveillance system to integrate with other smart home devices?
5. Do you need/want cloud backup?
6. Any special considerations (0/1/2-way audio? PTZ? video doorbell integrated?)
1. Budget?
2. Do you prefer a standards-based system where you can swap out camera and NVR brands and have it all work, or more of a closed system?
3. Are you opposed to stuff made in China?
4. Do you want your surveillance system to integrate with other smart home devices?
5. Do you need/want cloud backup?
6. Any special considerations (0/1/2-way audio? PTZ? video doorbell integrated?)
Posted on 11/28/20 at 4:45 pm to Korkstand
thanks Korkstand, I knew there had to be questions that I didn't know the answers...
I'd like a system that I could start and grow as my needs and knowledge grow.
I hate that China has such an upper hand on the US, but I guess I'm not so patriotic that I can't have a dozen or so more Chinese products in my home.
Not sure that I need it to interface with anything else. Cloud backup would be good, but not sure needed.
Was reading on another site where they promote Blue Iris software, so I've read around some of the questions you're asking, but still unclear on a direction.
I'd like a system that I could start and grow as my needs and knowledge grow.
I hate that China has such an upper hand on the US, but I guess I'm not so patriotic that I can't have a dozen or so more Chinese products in my home.
Not sure that I need it to interface with anything else. Cloud backup would be good, but not sure needed.
Was reading on another site where they promote Blue Iris software, so I've read around some of the questions you're asking, but still unclear on a direction.
Posted on 11/28/20 at 5:09 pm to turkish
quote:Security, stability, speed, PoE
With WiFi being faster and increasingly capable and ubiquitous, why the need for Ethernet access everywhere? Security and what else?
For cameras especially, hardwire is preferable in every way. Especially for new construction, it's a no-brainer to run cat6 everywhere. Battery powered cameras are shite and require too much maintenance, so you need a wire for power regardless. And given the choice, why would you run 110v and rely on wifi that is not only slower but also subject to interference, when you can just run cat6 and get both power and a rock solid connection over one cable?
Similarly, for everything else run cat6 when possible, and wifi when necessary. Even if every device you use has wifi, it's *still* best to run cat6 everywhere if only to serve as the "backhaul" for a multiple unit AP or mesh wifi system. Ex. if you run cat6 to the eaves of your house for cameras, run a couple extras so you can just plug in an outdoor wifi access point to cover the back yard/patio. No need for a 110v outlet or to make sure it has a strong signal from your indoor unit, because you already have power and 100% reliable data connection.
Posted on 11/28/20 at 5:36 pm to Grassy1
I've read good things about Blue Iris, but you will have to have an always-on Windows machine to run it, and you will have to set up port forwarding and such on your router to get remote viewing working. On the plus side, it is very flexible and can grow as your needs grow, and you can use almost any IP cameras with it.
The package deals that come with a dedicated NVR unit and X number of cameras are more of a plug and play system, and a lot of them have free remote viewing services and apps that are easy to set up. I would probably recommend this route for almost all residential uses.
If you don't mind chinese stuff, a lot of people seem to like Lorex. For probably as close to American made as possible, maybe look at Backstreet Surveillance. Look for ONVIF support on both the NVR and cameras to know if they can work with other standards-based equipment. IP cameras might work regardless even if they don't specify ONVIF.
Cloud backup can get expensive. Some systems work with Dropbox for backup, so you can check pricing there. How much storage you use is going to vary a *lot* based on your settings, amount of motion, etc.
Sorry if this isn't much help, there are just so many options to wade through and I'd hate to lead you down a path you won't like. On the bright side, your cat6 is already run, so you can return or sell what you don't like and try something else at relatively little cost.
The package deals that come with a dedicated NVR unit and X number of cameras are more of a plug and play system, and a lot of them have free remote viewing services and apps that are easy to set up. I would probably recommend this route for almost all residential uses.
If you don't mind chinese stuff, a lot of people seem to like Lorex. For probably as close to American made as possible, maybe look at Backstreet Surveillance. Look for ONVIF support on both the NVR and cameras to know if they can work with other standards-based equipment. IP cameras might work regardless even if they don't specify ONVIF.
Cloud backup can get expensive. Some systems work with Dropbox for backup, so you can check pricing there. How much storage you use is going to vary a *lot* based on your settings, amount of motion, etc.
Sorry if this isn't much help, there are just so many options to wade through and I'd hate to lead you down a path you won't like. On the bright side, your cat6 is already run, so you can return or sell what you don't like and try something else at relatively little cost.
Posted on 11/28/20 at 5:43 pm to Korkstand
Thanks Kork. With my lack of knowledge, I'd probably be better off with a package deal.
I guess my biggest fear of the package deal is, what if their packaged camera(s) don't work for a particular application? Is it easy enough to replace it with a camera that would be better suited?
I guess my biggest fear of the package deal is, what if their packaged camera(s) don't work for a particular application? Is it easy enough to replace it with a camera that would be better suited?
Posted on 11/28/20 at 5:56 pm to Grassy1
Yeah pretty much all of them will work with different types of cameras, bullet/dome/turret/etc. Most these days also do person/vehicle detection so you aren't getting notifications about *all* motion, only interesting things.
Maybe read some reviews to double check, but again I would guess that almost all of the decent quality systems can be customized how you like. Like don't buy one of those cheap arse 8 camera systems for $500, you will just be disappointed.
Maybe read some reviews to double check, but again I would guess that almost all of the decent quality systems can be customized how you like. Like don't buy one of those cheap arse 8 camera systems for $500, you will just be disappointed.
Posted on 11/29/20 at 7:58 am to Korkstand
Spent a good bit of time last night looking at the Lorex systems. Specifically their "smart" system.
I didn't think I'd want smart cameras or whatever, but it looks so simple to use and their features look pretty darn effective. And it works with or without Alexa and Google, which to me the important part is without. And also gives you some flexibility to add different cameras if needed. (And I'd think they would have a couple other smart cams coming out soon also.)
Only looked at the Backstreet stuff shortly, but their pricing looked a notch or two higher. May have to look again though.
I didn't think I'd want smart cameras or whatever, but it looks so simple to use and their features look pretty darn effective. And it works with or without Alexa and Google, which to me the important part is without. And also gives you some flexibility to add different cameras if needed. (And I'd think they would have a couple other smart cams coming out soon also.)
Only looked at the Backstreet stuff shortly, but their pricing looked a notch or two higher. May have to look again though.
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