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How do you smart/wifi plugs?

Posted on 1/15/19 at 7:01 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 7:01 am
gf got me a pack for Christmas and I'm trying to figure out exactly how i can (best) use them
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 7:11 am to
Do you have Alexa?

I found some stupid cheap ones online around Christmas as well... For those you have to download their app to connect to them and get them online, then you can open the Alexa skill so she can control them.

Personally, I have them set up on several lamps and we have routines set up for when we're going to bed, wake up, leave and come home. Turning those lamps on and off is part if the routines.
Posted by mctiger1985
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
3693 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 7:14 am to
Lamps, battery chargers, christmas. Humidifier(turn off during day). With appliances, if they don't have mechanical switches, all you can do is pretty much turn off because they won't start without pressing a button.
Posted by 21JumpStreet
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 7:18 am to
You can use the app for it or Alexa, Google Home, and etc.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61513 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 7:30 am to
They are great for lamps if you have Google/Alexa voice control.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:20 am to
never ever EVER buy iHome smartplugs. they lose WiFi every time you reboot the router or the power goes out or the wind blows too hard.

you have to physically pull them out of the wall and plug them back in each time to get them to reconnect which defeats the whole purpose of putting these in hard to get-to places around the house.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 10:21 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 1:38 pm to
apparently lamps is the primary use
Posted by guedeaux
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 1:50 pm to
quote:

apparently lamps is the primary use


Or to turn off an appliance or heating element (i.e. flat iron).

One of my smart outlets is specifically for the wife's flat iron and I have it set to turn off every day at 8 just in case she leaves it on when leaving for work.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 1:57 pm to
quote:

One of my smart outlets is specifically for the wife's flat iron and I have it set to turn off every day at 8 just in case she leaves it on when leaving for work.

that is very smart, but i couldn't do that to the gf

yet

maybe when we get married
Posted by Neauxla
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

apparently lamps is the primary use

I bought some last year and so far all I have used it for is my christmas tree (paired with alexa)
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

One of my smart outlets is specifically for the wife's flat iron and I have it set to turn off every day at 8 just in case she leaves it on when leaving for work.

My MIL is always worried about leaving hers on (and the oven, stove, etc), but the problem is she is retired so she uses hers at different times of the day. So I had the idea that smart outlets could be much smarter than they currently are, and also we should be seeing a lot more smart devices that make homes safer.

Remote control via app and setting timers manually is nice, but ideally the outlet itself should be smarter about detecting what is plugged into it, and being able to cut power on its own.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78099 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

apparently lamps is the primary use


i have 4

one in the living room that i plug lamps and the christmas tree into in december.

one behind the heavy-arse credenza in the dining room that turns the 2 table lamps on in the afternoon without having to chase the cords each time to find the clickers on them.

one on my 'cornelias coke cooler' that turns it off every night and back on in the AM to save on electricity.

one on my smart hub so if it hangs up i can reset it remotely.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 2:25 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:30 pm to
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one on my smart hub so if it hangs up i can reset it remotely.
You need to figure out how to automatically detect when it is hung and trigger the plug to reset.

Or replace the hub with a Pi.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
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78099 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 2:46 pm to
quote:

You need to figure out how to automatically detect when it is hung and trigger the plug to reset.

Or replace the hub with a Pi.


its difficult to figure out. only realize its not working correctly when i open the app and see the zwave devices are offline.

i guess i could do that in IFTTT maybe. have it check for one of my more reliable zwave devices and if its offline, do a reset.

the question is how do i flip the smartplug back ON? some kind of timeout that if the plug is off for more than 30 seconds, attempt to turn it on?
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14965 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 6:34 pm to
My bedside lamps come on with my alarm and turn off around when I would leave the house.

My China cabinet comes on at sunset, off at midnight


I have a lit tree in my entryway. It goes on/off with the China cabinet

I had my Christmas lights go on/off on time as well.



If none of that is appealing, you likely won't find a great use for them other than a hard-to-reach lamp/fixture/fan would now have voice control and phone/app control (possibly harmony remote if you have the right remote and plug)
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35561 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:11 pm to
I think I’ll use the one I got for Christmas to turn on my espresso machine everyone morning before I go downstairs to heat it up for use.
Posted by LSUJay13
South Louisiana
Member since May 2008
543 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:47 pm to
quote:

My MIL is always worried about leaving hers on (and the oven, stove, etc), but the problem is she is retired so she uses hers at different times of the day. So I had the idea that smart outlets could be much smarter than they currently are, and also we should be seeing a lot more smart devices that make homes safer. 


I use Wink and set 'robots' to control certain things in my house. In this case you could set a robot to turn off the switch 30 or so minutes after it was turned on... I have my living room light set up like this (although it is just a smart light bulb), it comes on via motion sensor, then turns off 30 minutes after the last movement was sensed.

I also have switches that turn on outside lights... Turn on at sunset and turn off at 10 PM, so mine are mostly on lights, but they can be smarter then just on and off by voice or app. I also have 3 Google home devices in my home for voice commands.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 10:50 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28709 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:26 pm to
quote:

I use Wink and set 'robots' to control certain things in my house. In this case you could set a robot to turn off the switch 30 or so minutes after it was turned on...
But if the receptacle isn't smart enough to tell the controller 1) that something has started pulling current, and 2) what device/appliance is plugged into it, then she would have to switch the outlet on every time or start a timer in some other way.


The idea is that every outlet in the house should (eventually) be smart enough to identify whatever device or appliance is plugged into it, and control itself according to rules you've set.

There are whole home energy monitors that can (supposedly) identify when specific appliances are running based on their electric "signature" (basically a waveform of the current draw). There is some training involved, then it uses machine learning to identify them in the future. Supposedly it sends the data to the mothership so that there will be less training in the future, but I'm really not sure how well these systems work. The ones I've seen (Sense, Neurio) mount in the electric panel and they monitor the mains, and maybe some allow more transformers to monitor individual circuits.

What I'm talking about is doing the same thing at the receptacle level. Not only would the current measurements be less noisy and more precise, but with the smarts in the receptacle it can control itself. If all of your outlets are smart, you can take the flat iron to any room and the outlet will start its own timer. Or maybe you have a small space heater that you move around, so you have a different set of rules for that.

Posted by TigerDaddy30
Member since Jul 2011
840 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 6:53 pm to

Maybe this would work?

ETA: I know it seems kinda far fetched. (Hub #1 would be dedicated only to smart plug #1. Hub #2 would control the rest of your smart home). Hub #1 tells smart plug #1 to power off smart plug #2, shutting down hub #2. Then tell smart plug. #1 to power smart plug #2 back on via smart plug #1, thus powering hub #2 back on.
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 8:10 pm
Posted by Jimbeaux28
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
4051 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:02 pm to
I have either a plug or a switch on every light that our kids can turn on and have them on several routines to make sure they get turned off at appropriate times of the day.
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