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Posted on 8/30/24 at 5:17 pm to
Posted by NfamousPanda
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Posted on 8/30/24 at 5:17 pm to
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I don't want to do this. I want to pay someone to come into my house and do all of this. I want to pay them to come build the greatest home network that can possibly exist.


I do this as a side hustle. Won't be cheap though...

No idea the size of your house, but if it's about 2500 sq ft, my extremely rough guess on total cost would be about $5K.
This post was edited on 8/30/24 at 5:25 pm
Posted by Giantkiller
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:08 pm to
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If I were the OP, I would just get some TP-LINK EAP610s, a cheap dummy POE switch, and two 100ft Cat6A cables. Would only cost like $200 and be infinitely better than what you have


So after doing some research, AV companies tend to be pretty expensive to pull wire and set up home networks. I guess they think anyone who doesn’t do this themselves must have frick you money.

Lonnie Utah, Korkie, and so many of you here have given me confidence to do this but I’m very, very green at almost everything associated with networking so please explain it like I’m a 5 year old.

TP-LINK EAP610. They’re about $90/ea. How many do you think I need to get?

POE Switch. This one is $44/ea. is this sufficient you think?

100’ CAT6A Cable. This one is the best rated and is about $27/ea. you mentioned buying 2 of these.

The modem is an ATT BGW320-505. It’s randomly on the floor of the corner of our master bedroom. There is a Phillips Hue bridge plugged into one of the ports but the back looks like this:




Where do I plug the cables in? Where do I put the switch? If I don’t know how to hide cables in my wall but running them stapled to the corner of rooms is probably not the best look.

Thank all of you who have taken the time to chime in on this. It is very appreciated.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 12:53 am to
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So after doing some research, AV companies tend to be pretty expensive to pull wire and set up home networks. I guess they think anyone who doesn’t do this themselves must have frick you money.


There is something amiss. Cables are fished and run (no offense) by guys that make $12ish an hour (as least the guy looking for the fish that isn't in the attic.) $5k is explosive, and probably based on what their Zillow estimate of your house was.

You don't need an A/V company. Cat 5/6 is the same (to pull) as Cat 3, which is phone cable. Any electrician can run it.

Remember, better doesn't mean best. Get your network better, soon, for what makes financial sense, don't wait five years for the "perfect" architected solution. Wires are your salvation. It's cheap to have guys pull wires.
Posted by mchias1
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:27 am to
The TP-link ap is good. I have an older model. It covers my 2300 sqft house plus my yard (1/3 ac). You can always get a second and put them on opposite ends of your house.

I'd recommend getting the TP-link router as well ($60). Use it instead of the att router. The ATT box should be your modem only.

The nice thing about the TP-link devices is they support both a controller or configuring each device from its own webpage.

TP-likk sells an 8 port managed switch for $30. I'd recommend getting that instead of a generic dumb switch if you need to expand your network.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Member since Jul 2012
28912 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 8:43 am to
Alright. There's a lot to unpack here. Before you do anything, Make a plan!! It sounds like you've already started, but I can't stress this enough.

So starting with the basics. The first part is figuring out were you are going to need access points and "drops". You are also going to have to decide where you want your network to terminate. From the sound of it, it sounds like the master bedroom is the spot. I assume this is where the ATT signal enters the house? If you really want to take it to the next level, they make inwall network/AV enclosures that hides everything pretty neatly. My house already had one in the basement when we moved in, so I don't have alot of experience there.

Once you know where you want the network to terminate, you mee to figure out where you'd like your wired and wireless access points. If you're going to be mucking around in your roof, you might as well run a couple of wired access points while you're at it. I'd do the main TV location and the home office at a minimum. You don't have to utilize them right away, but it's nice to have them. There are tons of videos on youtube about how to do this. Mounting the wireless access points should be fairly easy. As mentioned before you can mount them in ceiling or in the attic. With a Power of Ethernet (POE) switch, the physical installation is easy. They are plug and play. Plug in the network cable and they have signal and power. Done (minus network setup, which isn't that hard).

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Where do I plug the cables in? Where do I put the switch?


They say a pic is worth 1000 words so here goes:



So here is the basics of what your shooting for. You have the router/modem from your ISP. The cable from ATT plugs into the port labeled SFP (just like it is now). The main change you're going to have to make is to go into the router settings at the "website" listed on the back. Http://192.168.1.254 There will be a login page there. If you haven't changed the username and pass word on the router (not the network). What you want to do is disable the wifi on the router. This website explains how to do that.

Once you get the existing network disabled on the ATT router, you have to turn on the new network. To save yourself a bunch of headaches reconnecting all your existing devices to the new network, I'd keep the network name and password the same. You just have to configure it in the menu of the access point. I'm not specifically sure how to configure the network on the various access points but it's should be too difficult thru the TPlink app. The access points you've selected support TP link's Omada network system. They make Omada integrated POE switches and a controller (Oc200) so you'll have to do some research to see if that's something you need. It sounds like the controller allows you to more easily control all of the access points from one spot. I don't know much about that, but you might want to explore it. Regardless of that decision, I'd upgrade from the 4 port to an 8 port POE switch.

Again, this is the very basics to help you with the planning process. Good luck, you can do it!
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 8:53 am
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28996 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 8:53 am to
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There is something amiss.
I don't think so, low volt companies charge a lot.
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Cables are fished and run (no offense) by guys that make $12ish an hour (as least the guy looking for the fish that isn't in the attic.)
Yeah anybody can pull cable, but you're not just paying that guy. You're paying the guys who know how to get the cable from point A to point B neatly, who know where points A and B should be, and who know what to do at points A and B to make the cable work as it should.
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You don't need an A/V company. Cat 5/6 is the same (to pull) as Cat 3, which is phone cable. Any electrician can run it.
Electricians charge more than AV companies. And most electricians are clueless as far as terminations, and they damn sure don't know how to design and configure a network.
Posted by TAMU-93
Sachse, TX
Member since Oct 2012
1071 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:13 am to
If you have three thermostats, you probably have a big two story house. It's going to be difficult and expensive to wire that place. Before you do anything, try the TP-Link Deco AXE5400. Get it from some place that will let you return it if it doesn't work out for you.
Posted by Giantkiller
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Member since Sep 2007
23334 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:56 am to
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If you have three thermostats, you probably have a big two story house. It's going to be difficult and expensive to wire that place. Before you do anything, try the TP-Link Deco AXE5400. Get it from some place that will let you return it if it doesn't work out for you.


You bring up an interesting idea here. So... I have some components of an old Google mesh system that we eventually just gave up on but I'm curious about newer mesh systems. I know that Lonnie said mesh systems aren't really solving the problem but this wire-pulling stuff is pretty major for someone who has like - zero idea about this.

This TP-Link mesh system you talk about looks interesting. And yes, as you mentioned, we do have 2 bedrooms upstairs. Also, I have to try to make this signal extend from the master bedroom to the entire house... even outside.

I may give these a whirl first just to see if it works. If not, I could just return them.

Lonnie, Corky, bluebarracuda, broadhead, Lemmy, mchias1... what do y'all think of advanced mesh systems from someone like TP-Link?

Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Member since Jul 2012
28912 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 11:07 am to
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I may give these a whirl first just to see if it works. If not, I could just return them.


Personally, I'd try this first. It's a low hanging fruit solution. There is MUCH less configuration as well. You configure the first one, and the others "pair" and configure themselves.

I don't have them, but my elderly parents do. Their house is 3 stories and about 5,000 sq ft. They have 3 TP link units and have no complaints.

Having an upstairs/downstairs definitely compilates running cables.

ETA: Mesh wifi has some disadvantages. Mainly wifi speed at the edge of the net since they have to share the wifi signal between them. But as fast as your internet is, it might not matter.
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 11:17 am
Posted by NfamousPanda
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Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 9/6/24 at 5:10 pm to
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I guess they think anyone who doesn’t do this themselves must have frick you money


God forbid people trained and with years of experience charge for their time and work
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
28912 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 7:27 pm to
Any updates??
Posted by Flyingtiger82
BFE
Member since Oct 2019
1306 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:29 am to
TP Link Deco Mesh Router system.
1. Open box.
2. Scan QR code with phone.
3. Do what it says do on phone.
4. Repeat.

Also practice tip and I didn’t do this at first and could not ever keep my cameras on. Don’t plug this into your already existing modem. Plug it into the gateway coming from your outside. Usually an adapter that takes the fiber line and converts it to a cat5/6 connector. Don’t use the router from the internet company. And throw away the extenders.

The Deco app on your phone allows you to see every connected device and you can give greater priority for certain devices. Ie your TV or camera and less priority for say VR headsets. It’s notifies you every single time something attempts to connect.

Easy Peasy. My 80 year old parents even have this.
Posted by NfamousPanda
Central
Member since Jan 2016
1069 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:34 am to
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Don’t use the router from the internet company


He's got ATT, they force you to use their router, but you can configure it for IP passthrough and use you're own router then
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