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Do people still reset their routers?
Posted on 2/26/25 at 11:39 am
Posted on 2/26/25 at 11:39 am
I’ve been using deco mesh for the last 8-9 years and never once had to reboot one. I did have them automatically reboot at like 3am on sundays.
I now have the super expensive Netgear Orbi 960 (963) system that kind of fell into my lap for almost nothing and it bogs down every 2 weeks like clockwork. It has no auto reboot. Supposedly you can ask Alexa to reboot it but I don’t have the cloud stuff turned on.
Features used: NAT, iot(clean 2.4 channel), guest network, port forwarding only to reverse proxy. 10 static IPs, 70 or so dynamic IPs. One satellite has 2.5 GBPs wired backhaul, other wireless.
I just turned off traffic meter. Maybe that’ll help. I could maybe buy a couple more NIC ports and use pfsense for NAT, then use AP mode, but I’d rather not.
What would you all do? Build a bot to restart the thing weekly?
I thought this restart the router crap ended a decade ago. I’m going to need a tin foil hat because I think Netgear made it bog down so bad just to tout the Alexa reboot feature. This would be a fantastic multi-gig WiFi system if it were stable.
I now have the super expensive Netgear Orbi 960 (963) system that kind of fell into my lap for almost nothing and it bogs down every 2 weeks like clockwork. It has no auto reboot. Supposedly you can ask Alexa to reboot it but I don’t have the cloud stuff turned on.
Features used: NAT, iot(clean 2.4 channel), guest network, port forwarding only to reverse proxy. 10 static IPs, 70 or so dynamic IPs. One satellite has 2.5 GBPs wired backhaul, other wireless.
I just turned off traffic meter. Maybe that’ll help. I could maybe buy a couple more NIC ports and use pfsense for NAT, then use AP mode, but I’d rather not.
What would you all do? Build a bot to restart the thing weekly?
I thought this restart the router crap ended a decade ago. I’m going to need a tin foil hat because I think Netgear made it bog down so bad just to tout the Alexa reboot feature. This would be a fantastic multi-gig WiFi system if it were stable.
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Posted on 2/26/25 at 11:55 am to Dallaswho
Since I switched to Ubiquiti a couple years back, it reboots when it's time to update or if the power is out long enough for the UPS to die pretty much.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 11:56 am to Dallaswho
I usually run updates on my Opnsense router monthly, which requires a reboot
Posted on 2/26/25 at 11:57 am to Dallaswho
Reboot my Decos weekly just because theres an automatic setting..
Posted on 2/26/25 at 12:03 pm to Dallaswho
Ah yes, I remember you from this thread where you were talking down to everyone who bought "decade old tech" from Ubiquiti while pumping all the pros of that Orbi system that fell into your lap for super cheap. As I asked in that thread, have you found out yet why someone let that gear go for so little money?
To answer your question, I manage 6 Ubiquiti routers for friends and family and no, they never bog down or need to be reset.
To answer your question, I manage 6 Ubiquiti routers for friends and family and no, they never bog down or need to be reset.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 12:03 pm to bluebarracuda
Nevermind about pfsense. I’m realizing that putting a router in a VM is a bad idea. I’ve always heard it wasn’t recommended, but never actually thought about how to fix it if I’m not home.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 12:15 pm to Korkstand
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have you found out yet why someone let that gear go for so little money?
Yes but Netgear forums pretty much call this normal with lots of devices and heavy usage. It doesn’t feel normal. Maybe someone else wants a cheap set but I’ll make a bot first.
This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 2/26/25 at 12:24 pm to Dallaswho
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I’ve been using deco mesh for the last 8-9 years and never once had to reboot one. I did have them automatically reboot at like 3am on sundays.
sooooo by "never once" you mean every sunday at 3am.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 12:27 pm to Dallaswho
I had two Netgears, R7000 and R8000. The R7000 needed a reboot about once a month, the R8000 about the same. That was ten years of routers for me. The Synology I replaced the 8000 with has only been rebooted once, when I moved.
I always suspect heat first with random device degradation.
I always suspect heat first with random device degradation.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 12:34 pm to Dallaswho
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Nevermind about pfsense. I’m realizing that putting a router in a VM is a bad idea. I’ve always heard it wasn’t recommended, but never actually thought about how to fix it if I’m not home.
Running your router on bare metal is definitely better, but you're still in a similar situation trying to fix it remotely whether on bare metal or virtualized.
Only reason I prefer to run my router on bare metal is that I do a whole lot more tinkering on my Proxmox nodes, which requires random reboots, and I prefer not to bring down my whole network for every reboot
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:17 pm to bluebarracuda
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Running your router on bare metal is definitely better, but you're still in a similar situation trying to fix it remotely whether on bare metal or virtualized
Similar but wife works from home, im gone a lot, sometimes we’re both gone and family or neighbors check on things and IT area is purposely very difficult to access. I have the breaker highlighted as a last resort now.
Worse yet, I’m spoiled with new tech and can’t go too far backwards.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:30 pm to Dallaswho
I have a ER-x that I never reboot. It just runs. I've had it for at least 5 yrs now.
Only reason I could see needing to reboot would be if the IP address doesn't get updated on the router from the ISP.
Only reason I could see needing to reboot would be if the IP address doesn't get updated on the router from the ISP.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:42 pm to mchias1
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Only reason I could see needing to reboot would be if the IP address doesn't get updated on the router from the ISP.
That’s another great point. Though my system seems to “bog down” and may not be a lease problem, my DCHP leases from my ONT are only 30 minutes. That seems super short to me. Basically 50x the chance of failure or even more because also less time to get new lease each cycle. I don’t know what the standard fiber lease is.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:00 pm to Dallaswho
quote:It is "normal" for the consumer grade stuff that you have. I realize UniFi is not a huge step up from that but I've sure seen a noticeable improvement in stability since upgrading.
Yes but Netgear forums pretty much call this normal with lots of devices and heavy usage. It doesn’t feel normal. Maybe someone else wants a cheap set but I’ll make a bot first.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:04 pm to Dallaswho
quote:A couple of my UniFi deployment are on Starlink which has only 5 minute leases and IPs change very frequently. No issues whatsoever.
That’s another great point. Though my system seems to “bog down” and may not be a lease problem, my DCHP leases from my ONT are only 30 minutes. That seems super short to me. Basically 50x the chance of failure or even more because also less time to get new lease each cycle. I don’t know what the standard fiber lease is.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 3:50 pm to Dallaswho
I had deco mesh and threw it in the garbage. Went back to my old Netgear 7000 and I do have to reboot about once a month.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 4:03 pm to Korkstand
As it should. Actually I remembered the first 6-7 years of deco, they were in AP mode with a Cisco SMB router behind them. By the time that router crapped out, deco had the auto reboot option. That’s prob why I never had an issue. I’d be fine going back to deco x55 if I can find a good location to wire the last satellite. Those things are great as long as you have wired backhaul. Their wireless backhaul blows.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 5:41 pm to Dallaswho
Just because the lease is 30 mins or 5 mins, your IP doesn't change that much. It'll keep the current IP until your router reboots. The lease just makes sure that if a piece of equipment goes offline the IP address gets released for someone else to grab it.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:23 pm to Dallaswho
I've never rebooted my Orbi system once. Best setup I've ever had absolutely perfect.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:40 pm to UltimateHog
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I've never rebooted my Orbi system once. Best setup I've ever had absolutely perfect.
Maybe I got a dud. I paid very little for. $1400 system or whatever it is new but forums say required reboots are “normal” with high activity. If that’s normal, why not reboot automatically? I realize 80 devices is a lot but most are idle. Our WAN usage is under 15TB/mo which is like 20-40x average but nowhere near the top percentiles. Most LAN activity shouldn’t hit the router unless there is some network issue I’m unaware of. Logs are clean.
“Alexa, reboot my router” feature is stupid. It requires you get a Netgear account and turn on cloud management. For obvious reasons, I wouldn’t expect it to work when it is actually needed, but I guess it’s an easier way to automate reboots than building a bot.
I’m glad you’re happy with yours. They are excellent WiFi systems when they function correctly.
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