Damn..first Revolv mess now Smartthings

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My Go Control security panel still going strong. Loving the upgrade features in the GC3.

Like I already said that has been the story every day on the community forums. I've experienced none of it though. Very pleased with SmartThings.

CAD and I had this discussion a long, long time ago re: this subject and his fascination with tinkering ruled the day and my sentiments were drowned out. But the chickens I mentioned in my half of the argument are now coming home to roost.

When you dive head first into a tech that isn't standardized and spend all this time tinkering to set it up to work properly, there's always a risk that shite like this will happen. When it does, all the time spent learning, tinkering and familiarizing yourself with the setup required to make this happen on your own is completely and utterly wasted.

For some people, they don't care. They like the tinkering. For others, their time and their efforts and focus mean something to them. They don't have unlimited amounts of it available to invest in setup, then going back in and reworking to set this all up over again.

It defeats the entire point of automating your home if you must set up the automation time after time.

That's why so many people appreciate what and how Apple operates with their tech. This is not impossible for APPL. But it is exponentially less likely. Sure, many people who use iOS devices can't do what CAD does to the extent he does it. But those folks also don't operate under the reality that week's spent fiddling with obscure technology to automate their home could arbitrarily be bricked and all that effort be entirely wasted on tech that goes the way of HDDVD and Betamax.

Apple understands how the masses want their innovation handed to them: Not first, but on a silver fricking platter.

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But those folks also don't operate under the reality that week's spent fiddling with obscure technology to automate their home could arbitrarily be bricked and all that effort be entirely wasted on tech that goes the way of HDDVD and Betamax.

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With all due respect you are talking out of your arse.

The only thing I bought that might be replaced is the wink hub and app.

I paid 99 cents for that.

Every doodad is generic zwave or zigbee or lutron and those will never die.

All I would have to do is pair my devices, rebuild my schedules and create a few simple scripts in the "---" hub.

You don't know what you are talking about.

eta if you actually read my posts in the wink hub you'd find about 90% of the "mundane work" involves electrical and strategic issues..not pairing the simple doodads themselves.

the most complex thing i've "scripted" was a set of robots to notify everyone when the mailman comes and again when someone picks up the mail. those 5 screenshots i posted showing how to do that was sooooooooooooooo much work

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So when I said

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But those folks also don't operate under the reality that week's spent fiddling with obscure technology to automate their home could arbitrarily be bricked and all that effort be entirely wasted on tech that goes the way of HDDVD and Betamax.

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You responded...

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With all due respect you are talking out of your arse.

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Which means that weeks fiddling with shite to automate the home might NOT end up with that effort being entirely wasted...if indeed in fact I am talking out of my arse.

Which you demonstrated then by saying...

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All I would have to do is pair my devices,

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More fiddling and effort. Which is exactly what I was referencing. But you've somehow claimed is proof I'm talking out of my arse by using? Hmmm...Okay.

You went on to say...

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rebuild my schedules

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I'm sure that's super easy when you have schedules for your thermostat, lights, sections and sequences of specific lights based on house, time of day/night, work/getting home, etc etc, and oh don't forget door locks, or garage door openers and lights, etc etc etc.

But again...This "rebuild my schedules," was used as proof I'm talking out of my arse when I said:

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week's spent fiddling

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all that effort [could] be entirely wasted

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When in fact you admit you would have to do more work and more tinkering. I guess because you call it, "rebuilding," instead of more work and tinkering, that means I'm talking out of my arse. Right? indeed.

Then to top it off, you'd have to...

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create a few simple scripts in the "---" hub.

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I'm sure that-again-this somehow confirms in your mind that it isn't considered, "tinkering," and "fiddling," and "more work," but believe me, to someone like you, we've established it isn't.

I'll ask again: WTF does anyone want to have to go through this process over and over again? What is the point of automating your home if you'll have to automate your home again and again and again?

Do you paint your house quarterly? Do you pour your driveway semi-annually? Do you replace your HVAC or Heat Pump once/year?

GMAFB. No, you don't. You also don't repull your cable lines, reinstall speaker wire, etc etc on that shortened timeframe.

So why-would ANYONE-that doesn't have the same level of technical expertise that you have want to go through that sh!t over and over again?

It's my entire point in a nutshell. Look, I'll use the example of your wife's beauty parlor. You had it all set up for her with 6,000 work-arounds to get calls...and yet what did she do?

The sh!t was too complicated for someone trying to run a business so she went with the simplistic method that helped her achieve the same thing.

It'll be the same thing here. Android, Alexa or HomeKit via iOS will have to come in and standardize things before the masses get behind a product enough to support its ubiquitousness throughout the IoT and home automation and smart-home tech.

You've got such a binary mindset that you can't figure out that there are BILLIONS of people out there who want to use tech but don't want to go to all the d@mn trouble you LOVE going to in order to use it.

It's funny that you can't see it, or refuse to, or can't comprehend that.

Zwave isn't going anywhere. Ive been selling security panels with Zwave controllers for the last 6 years or so. The products keep improving and the catagory keeps growing. Zwave getting UL listed for intrusion is a huge thing. It's going to be everywhere.

Quick, describe your level of familiarity and comfort with networking, programming languages, script writing, and IT troubleshooting?

0/10. I'm more tech savvy than your average joe but IT is not what I do for work so I haven't the slightest idea how to do any of what you mentioned.