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Cox Internet are POS for gouging customers during quarantine....
Posted on 8/12/20 at 9:40 am
Posted on 8/12/20 at 9:40 am
quote:
As of August 11, 2020, your household has used 75% of your data plan of 1280 GB for the current period, which ends on August 12, 2020. Your monthly data plan includes a recent 25% increase of the standard data plan for all customers from 1TB to 1.25TB.
Here's what you can expect next: If you go over, we'll automatically add 50 GB of data for $10 to your next bill. That's enough for about 15 hours of streaming HD video. If you use that 50 GB, we'll automatically add another 50 GB for $10 and so on until your next usage cycle begins.
If this is the first month you go over your data, don't worry -- we've got you covered. You'll see a matching credit for each $10 charge we applied to your bill.
Because we know no one likes surprises on their bill, here are a few quick tips to get you started:
When you're using streaming services like Netflix, make sure to stop your content and exit the application before you turn off your TV. This will ensure features like auto play won't continue to stream and use data when you're not watching.
Check the video quality settings on your security cameras. Some cameras default to the highest quality setting which may use a lot of data. Lowering this setting can reduce data usage while still retaining clear video quality.
Keep track of your data usage with web or via the Cox app for iOS or Android.
Visit cox.com/mywifi to see which devices use the most data.
If you have any questions, check out cox.com/datausage for more info, or contact us through our convenient online chat at www.cox.com/chat, we're here to help 24/7.
Thanks for choosing Cox.
Everyone is having to work from home and most kids are streaming 8 hours a day for school. Yet, they make zero concessions.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:00 am to NPComb
Well, they did increase from 1TB to 1.25TB and suspended overages for several months...
This post was edited on 8/12/20 at 10:01 am
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:04 am to NPComb
quote:
If this is the first month you go over your data, don't worry -- we've got you covered. You'll see a matching credit for each $10 charge we applied to your bill.
Sounds like they are saying they will charge you $10 for the each additional 50 GB you need, then will automatically credit you each $10 charge?
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:25 am to NPComb
quote:So, increasing your cap 25% doesn't count as a concession? Something they didn't have to do, by the way. I hate this mentality that people have assuming that since things changed for them businesses/entities are now obliged to give you shite for free. You act like Cox is doubling their prices because of the pandemic. They are simply following the contract y'all agreed to when you signed up for service. If working from home is causing additional cost to you, then that sounds like an issue between you and your employer on who should be covering that cost of business. As far as the school thing goes the extra 250GB would be more than enough to cover one kid streaming 8 hours a day, likely enough for 2. I don't know shite about what schools are doing with kids right now, but I would bet your Cox bill they are not streaming continuously for 8 hours every day. IIRC, when I was in school a school day was 7 hours which included lunch and an off hour, as well as classes that likely wouldn't be streamed like choir, art, PE, shop, etc. So, I think that extra 250GB would probably cover 3+ kids school streaming needs depending on the situation.
Yet, they make zero concessions.
This post was edited on 8/12/20 at 10:27 am
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:15 am to Fat Batman
While his complaint is malformed, he does point out something interesting. If we are shifting so much of our activity online, is it time to turn these regional monopolies into regulated utilities? Normally I don't think more government fixes things, but this in between area where we have regionally sanctioned monopolies as most people's only choice isn't a good solution either.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:39 pm to NPComb
My Cox bill was cut 33% for 4-3 months during quarantine...
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:53 pm to NPComb
quote:
most kids are streaming 8 hours a day for school.
No one is doing this.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 1:36 pm to NPComb
Just an FYI - It doesn't cost Cox anything to "add" data to your plan. Theres nothing technical about it.
They're doing it arbitrarily to fill in gaps in pricing structure and make profits.
They're doing it arbitrarily to fill in gaps in pricing structure and make profits.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 1:56 pm to boXerrumble
cox and comcast are hand-in-hand here. both removed the data metering for 3 months and both updated to 1.25TB afterward.
their executives must get together to price collude.
their executives must get together to price collude.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 3:11 pm to NPComb
Charging on data should be illegal. They do no own the data and the data is not a finite resource that goes away. Many people will say "if everyone uses data at the same time, the bandwidth capacity will be overtaxed and take down the network." well guess what, you already pay for that, you pay for speed of your internet, which addresses the bandwidth limitations. They are trying to also implement data caps and data overages too as if they own the data and as if you were to use to much data that would not leave enough data for someone else. THATS NOT THE WAY IT WORKS.
Additionally, people will also say "mobile companies charge data caps and no one complains about that" well guess what, they don't charge you for data speed, you get their fastest speed unless you go over your data limit, then you either are charge for the extra data or your speed is throttled.
TL;DR - screw any ISP that believes that should charge you a data cap if they already charge you for speed.
Additionally, people will also say "mobile companies charge data caps and no one complains about that" well guess what, they don't charge you for data speed, you get their fastest speed unless you go over your data limit, then you either are charge for the extra data or your speed is throttled.
TL;DR - screw any ISP that believes that should charge you a data cap if they already charge you for speed.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 3:19 pm to Fat Batman
quote:While I agree it's tough to get pissed over a contract that you agreed to, I think it's time that we as consumers start pushing back against the anti-consumer practice of data caps.
So, increasing your cap 25% doesn't count as a concession? Something they didn't have to do, by the way. I hate this mentality that people have assuming that since things changed for them businesses/entities are now obliged to give you shite for free. You act like Cox is doubling their prices because of the pandemic. They are simply following the contract y'all agreed to when you signed up for service.
First recognize that it costs literally nothing to transfer a byte of data. The ISP pays for a given capacity, not by the byte. It costs the same whether 1 byte is sent or a petabyte, the obvious difference being they have to pay for a bigger pipe if they move more data.
With that in mind, know that they oversell their capacity by about 40X. In other words, if the ISP pays for a 10 gigabit connection, they will sell about 400 gigabits of service to customers who all use that same connection. This is expected and required to optimize resource usage, so this fact in itself is nothing to get upset about. However, the justification for data caps and overage charges is to curb usage among "data hogs", but a more logical, effective, and ethical solution would be to oversell capacity at a lower rate so that you can provide the service that you advertise, and maybe simply throttle the "hogs" at times of high utilization.
But if the ISP and customer agree to these anti-consumer terms, there is another frick-you that really gets me. I'm talking about the next-byte and next-second problems that result from the monthly billing cycle cutoffs. If you use exactly 1TB in exactly 1 month, you're good. But if you use 1TB + 1 byte, that last byte costs you $10! Ten fricking dollars to send a single character. Similarly, if you are close to the cap just before your billing cycle resets, the same byte might cost you nothing or $10 depending on whether it is sent a second earlier or not. Ten fricking dollars for a 1 byte 1 second "error". Surely you can call and have the charge dropped for these borderline cases, but it's priced just right at $10 to make it a tough call on whether to spend half an hour talking to shitty customer service or just eat it.
Then there is the problem that if you are just over the cap, there is little doubt that at least some of those bytes were used by your own ISP sending you advertisements. Whether it's a text ad on google, a banner on TD, or a commercial on YouTube, over the course of a month you will no doubt use some of your precious bytes consuming ads from your own fricking ISP. And if you went over your cap, you paid them $10 for the privilege of watching their ad.
That's a lot of frickery to squeeze $10 out of you for something that costs literally zero cents. And it's all done to prevent you from streaming video so the ISP's own cable TV service looks more attractive.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 3:25 pm to Stuckinthe90s
quote:Exactly. If you sell me 100mbit service with a 1TB cap, then I can only use the service to its potential for 1 day per month or less than 1 hour per day.
TL;DR - screw any ISP that believes that should charge you a data cap if they already charge you for speed.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 4:01 pm to Korkstand
quote:
While I agree it's tough to get pissed over a contract that you agreed to,

pretty sure there was no data cap for years until comcast decided to arbitrarily add it and certainly not when i first signed up.
i got fricked twice because they tested the first cap (250GB) in nashville so i've been paying overages for years.
so yeah, i guess the fact i kept comcast was silent assent they could decide at any time to bend me over a desk and arse rape me repeatedly but like southpark pointed out over a decade ago..

This post was edited on 8/12/20 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 8/12/20 at 4:46 pm to Korkstand
quote:
While I agree it's tough to get pissed over a contract that you agreed to, I think it's time that we as consumers start pushing back against the anti-consumer practice of data caps.
Absolutely, I agree on the data caps are bullshite. I was just saying I wouldn't call keeping your price the same and increasing your data cap 25% "gouging customers during quarantine".
Posted on 8/12/20 at 4:52 pm to Fat Batman
quote:I hear ya, but maybe OP considers standard practice of overage charges to be gouging, so technically they are gouging customers during quarantine (but also all the time).
I was just saying I wouldn't call keeping your price the same and increasing your data cap 25% "gouging customers during quarantine".

Posted on 8/12/20 at 5:31 pm to Korkstand
quote:
so technically they are gouging customers during quarantine (but also all the time)
its literally the blockbuster overdue movie fee model.
the exact same thing.
its even mostly due to video (the data hog).
Posted on 8/13/20 at 4:59 am to NPComb
I am dreading having to use Cox once my house is done. I am with Mediacom now and pay for the 500M plan which has a 4TB cap. Caps are stupid but at least 4TB is big enough where the majority of people probably won't even come close to it.
Cox' top plan the 940 MB one still has only a 1.25 TB cap.... It is the 13th day of the month and I am at 1.7TB so there is no way that cap is going to work for me.
Prior to selling our last house I had Fibre internet through CenturyLink. It was only 150 MB but had no cap at all.
Cox' top plan the 940 MB one still has only a 1.25 TB cap.... It is the 13th day of the month and I am at 1.7TB so there is no way that cap is going to work for me.
Prior to selling our last house I had Fibre internet through CenturyLink. It was only 150 MB but had no cap at all.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 8:50 am to Korkstand
quote:
While I agree it's tough to get pissed over a contract that you agreed to,
This is a moot point.
I have no say in the contract. I can redline it and send it back to them and they'll tell me to go pound sand. I have no choice but to accept whatever they put in their contract, as every ISP is going to have the same crap in every contract. My choice is either don't have internet from anyone, or accept whatever terms they say. little one sided dont you think.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:15 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
This is a moot point.
I have no say in the contract. I can redline it and send it back to them and they'll tell me to go pound sand.
precisely. ive used comcast for internet since i moved to nashville in 1997 and data caps weren't even a glint in their eye when i signed up back then.
of course they change shite on a yearly basis and we're left with little choice except to say 'ok whatever you say, boss'.
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