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re: Check in if you promise to be a good little android user and not post in apple
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:37 pm to ell_13
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:37 pm to ell_13
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f the card has nfc,
Who gives a F if the card has NFC? I know the card has NFC. I know they've been around for years. We're talking about using your phone and not having to bother with carrying or breaking out a Credit Card. NFC or not.
Even this simple concept is apparently over some heads.
Talk about trying to move the goalposts.
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:52 pm to TigerGman
quote:First, You don't know what this means...
Talk about trying to move the goalposts
Second, you've been wrong about this from the beginning:
You think that apple has some special system that Android users can't take advantage of or use... wrong. Retailers don't have to have anything special to read any NFC device. ApplePay is specific to iPhone and is just their name for the software to make you think it's their own.
You think apple developed something new and original... wrong. ApplePay isn't new or original. It's just apple's version.
You think that in just a few months, using an iphone to pay at retailers will be "a common sight"... wrong. The only people with an iPhone using this will have to have the new phone. Then they have to actually put their cards on it. Then you actually have to see them use it which won't be happening as often as you think. It will eventually... but a "few months" is laughable.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 4:01 pm to ell_13
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You think that apple has some special system that Android users can't take advantage of or use... wrong.
Really? I suggest you go back and read the post someone linked early this morning saying the system had not been developed for Android users yet.
LINK
And as for the new phone, Apple is rapidly going to sell millions of them, so I don't think seeing them will be as rare as you seem to think.
And BTW, please explain to me what this has to do with NFC Credit Cards other than a means to no longer use them?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 4:05 pm to TigerGman
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I suggest you go back and read the post someone linked early this morning saying the system had not been developed for Android users yet.
That's a fricking security setting and doesn't prevent anyone with an NFC device from buying products from retailers that have the NFC reader... which YOU suggested in your posts!
quote:I said eventually, down the line, it will be used much more frequently. But this has to do with retailers buying in and customers actually using the tool... which is a big question mark.
Apple is rapidly going to sell millions of them, so I don't think seeing them will be as rare as you seem to think
quote:What's the difference in pulling out your phone and tapping and pulling out a card and tapping?
please explain to me what this has to do with NFC Credit Cards
Posted on 9/10/14 at 4:12 pm to ell_13
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which YOU suggested in your posts!
Total Bull shite. Never said or suggested it.
1. You won't be able to use Apple's system, just like I said you wouldn't
2. That means you're stuck with whatever systems you have in place now which is obviously crap cause no one uses Google wallet etc. Want me to pull out links to the failures all the current systems are?
3.
quote:
What's the difference in pulling out your phone and tapping and pulling out a card and tapping?
You smack of desperation now.
ETA: I'm done with this thread.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 9/10/14 at 4:30 pm to ell_13
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What's the difference in pulling out your phone and tapping and pulling out a card and tapping?
Because you won't even have to bring you care anymore man!!! Unless you go to the 85% of retail businesses and restaurants that don't have NFC. Or your battery dies.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 4:59 pm to TigerGman
quote:"Apple's system" is specific to the hardware... has nothing to do with android phones' ability to use your CC and pay at stores that accept NFC.
1. You won't be able to use Apple's system, just like I said you wouldn't
quote:Again... google wallet is just a name. The technology is essentially the exact same. Apple and Android will be using the exact same system in place at retailers.
2. That means you're stuck with whatever systems you have in place now which is obviously crap cause no one uses Google wallet etc.
quote:I answered your question... which you failed to do.
You smack of desperation now
Posted on 9/10/14 at 5:09 pm to TigerGman
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ETA: I'm done with this thread.
Thank god.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:01 pm to TigerGman
quote:Apple's "system" is only half of the process. The other half, the NFC terminals at stores that accept payments, has been in place for years. This is the same stuff that everybody else uses. Apple just waited and watched while everyone else pushed the envelope, to see what works well and what doesn't, and then they come in and convince idiots like you that they invented something spectacular.
1. You won't be able to use Apple's system, just like I said you wouldn't
quote:"Stuck with"?
2. That means you're stuck with whatever systems you have in place now which is obviously crap cause no one uses Google wallet etc.
Apple Pay works just like Google Wallet does, using the same exact pay terminals, and very similar security features including virtual card numbers. If you walk up to a cashier and pay by tapping your shiny new iPhone6, I can walk up right behind you and do the same with my old Android phone, and have been doing it for a year and a half. You don't have a fricking clue what you're talking about.
quote:I doubt it.
ETA: I'm done with this thread.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:08 pm to TigerGman
quote:
What's the difference in pulling out your phone and tapping and pulling out a card and tapping?
If you have a NFC card, you don't have to pull it out your wallet, just tap your wallet on the pad, and you're done. You don't have to open an app, you don't have to make sure you have battery life on your phone. Just reach in your pocket like you would your cell phone, and you're done.
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1. You won't be able to use Apple's system, just like I said you wouldn't
Apple doesn't have a system. They have an app. Instead of calling it AppleWallet (because google already used the term "wallet" they didn't want to look like copy cats), they instead call it ApplePay
quote:
That means you're stuck with whatever systems you have in place now which is obviously crap cause no one uses Google wallet etc. Want me to pull out links to the failures all the current systems are?
Apple will use the same "crap systems" already in place. The thing you keep referring to from that link is a security algorithm that VISA "made", and is letting Apple be the first to "test" it to see if it works. It's also the same thing that Paypal used a couple years ago. That has nothing to do with the equipment that scans the NFC chip on your phone. (or credit card)
Just because you haven't seen it being used, doesn't mean it isn't being used. Are you in every store, 24 hours a day? How long/often are you standing in line at the register? Are you paying attention while standing in line? or looking at the product you're buying, or looking at a magazine.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:19 pm to Murtagh
Apple isn't innovating on technology, they're innovating on a service. Google Wallet was going nowhere fast. Just because you COULD use it doesn't mean the amount of stores and users using the service was growing at any measurable rate. Wallet was blocked by the carriers and Google ultimately capitulated.
LINK
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It’s no wonder, then, that the last high-minded attempt from a big company to fix this mess failed. Google Wallet, though it has been rebranded and repurposed as an all-around solution for buying things through Google, was unable to overcome the incredibly strong entrenched interests in the payments space. Carriers, in the thick of developing Softcard, openly blocked Wallet on their branded devices without consequence — a peril of an open platform like Android. Google Wallet’s dynamic, straightforward, and intelligent VP Osama Bedier left for greener pastures just over a year ago — and Google’s ambitions for Wallet look much smaller today than when it originally launched
LINK
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:21 pm to Murtagh
Uh, he has to be trolling, huh? I thought the Visa article I linked made this pretty clear and those stupid tap & pay things are a standard, hell they even have their own symbol.
I have found tap & pay to be hit and miss personally. It seems to be an issue with the tap and pay terminals, though, because some work really well and others have a hard time communicating.
People are also going to be pissed when they try to pay for something with a case, performance is sketchy at best when covered.
I have found tap & pay to be hit and miss personally. It seems to be an issue with the tap and pay terminals, though, because some work really well and others have a hard time communicating.
People are also going to be pissed when they try to pay for something with a case, performance is sketchy at best when covered.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:23 pm to demosa
Links the verge which is paid off by apple. This thread is gold
which is paid off by apple. This thread is goldPosted on 9/10/14 at 6:25 pm to rocket31
The carriers blocked Wallet on many devices, no?
And Google did what in response to that?
And Google did what in response to that?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:27 pm to demosa
quote:
Apple isn't innovating on technology, they're innovating on a service. Google Wallet was going nowhere fast. Just because you COULD use it doesn't mean the amount of stores and users using the service was growing at any measurable rate. Wallet was blocked by the carriers and Google ultimately capitulated.
Uh, but they aren't innovating anything. Visa is innovating with the token system. Google Wallet was streamlined a while ago to include Google Payments so that it makes it easier to buy online items and send money to others. Not sure why that was a bad thing.
Apple support will increase the availability of tap & pay terminals though, so I am all for that.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:29 pm to demosa
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And Google did what in response to that?
There is nothing they could do. Carriers blocked the secure element on devices made by certain manufacturers. The Nexus devices have always been able to use NFC because Google refused to bow to them.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:33 pm to SaltyMcKracker
Indeed. NFC pay systems are very overrated anyways. Just my two pennies.
I use goodie wallet primarily to transfer money to friends, family etc for free.
I use goodie wallet primarily to transfer money to friends, family etc for free.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:46 pm to demosa
quote:
The carriers blocked Wallet on many devices, no?
And Google did what in response to that?
They reworked the system so the carriers can't block Wallet on Kit Kat.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:49 pm to Korkstand
I feel so sorry for the truly retarded people that buy the 6, only the 6+ is an actual upgrade while the 6 is absolute garbage.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:00 pm to UltimateHog
Wow, I can't believe he was still arguing about NFC....
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