re: Are macs really that much better than windows pc’s?

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You can get a laptop with 4000 series Ryzen with 2000 series Nvidia graphics which probably isn't even going to have an option for less than 16GB RAM in the same price range as the Macbook Air

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Apples to oranges and you know it. Your throwing a discrete GPU in and I’m having a tough time finding something with those specs for the same price. Sure a few on sale laptops, but come on. You talk about fan boy, your grasping for straws to make a point.

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Compare an M1 Macbook Air VS a similarly priced Window's machine and the performance isn't close.

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Even much more expensive Window's computers can't hang.

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It is apples to oranges in that price range. That's the point. There are a lot of windows machines that live in that price range that are flat out superior. I'll lower my specs down to a 1650 or 1660 and 10th gen i7 if you want to cherry pick the $1000 price point for the MacBook Air instead of the top end ~$1500 Air or ~$1800 for MacBook Pro.


Is the M1 a good chip for a computer with integrated graphics, yes. Does all that diminish when trying to run a non-natively supported program, yes. Is it over price for what it offers performance wise, yes. Nothing about this warrants any of the M1 is superior to Windows machine talk that's going on.

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What about the whole package? That Lenovo is over 10 pounds. 4-5 hour battery life? Mostly plastic? I think the Mac is a little over two pounds, all aluminum and battery 18-20 hours. Completely silent. I don’t know if I want to tug around a gaming laptop all over the place. We could go on and on, like I mentioned I have a Windows pc as well, a dedicated gaming computer. 2070 super, 32 GB ram, 3700x, it runs circles around the MacBook. For what it is, I love the thing. My day to day work, I enjoy using the Mac.

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Didn't really want to get in the middle of this Windows vs. Mac fanboy pissing match but I agree that those dissing the M1 are too focused on performance and not the big picture. My main machine is a watercooled 5950X/64GB rig running Gentoo on a 6700XT card with a vfio passthrough Win10 VM with its own RTX 2080Ti card. I use Windows laptops regularly with my work and my wife has a $3000 Intel MacBook Pro from 2 years ago, so I have plenty of comparison. I bought the cheapest model M1 MacBook Air as a general purpose portable... Comparing the overall experience on all of these machines, the MacBook Air does feel like a revolutionary step in portable computers with its absolute silence, great performance, and insane battery life. Even if it's not killing the others on benchmarks.

That Lenovo laptop has a 230 watt power supply. The M1 MacBook Air has a 30 watt power supply. This isn't a realistic comparison. Not to mention the Lenovo also has a crappy low-res 1080p screen. That machine is cheap power packed into a big hot shitty plastic case. If you're trying to get the most performance at the cheapest price with no regard to any other factor in the machine, I guess that's your machine. Enjoy.

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I'm going to assume by the conversation changing metrics to battery life, weight and the aluminum body that we're in agreement that the M1 macs, in fact, do not stack up performance-wise to their Windows price-peers.

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I don't care about your metrics. At the end of the day it's about my happiness with the machine. The battery life, weight, aluminum body, and lack of heat output all contribute substantially to my happiness in using the machine which in turn *looks at topic title* determine whether I think a machine is "that much better" or not.

For every objective metric, you can find a Windows machine for the same price that does it better than a Mac in 1 criteria and worse in another. If I say Macs beat Windows PCs on performance, anti-Mac haters will point out a shitty low-price, high performing machine. If I point that out, then the criteria will shift around but at the end of the day, it's Power, Quality/Features, Price -- pick 2 out of 3. Whenever I've pointed this out and tried to find a comparable Windows laptop with comparable specs/features as the Mac I want, at the end of the day it usually ends up being the same price and I'm accused of cherry picking a set of features to suit a pro-Apple agenda.

But really what that means is what Macs (and in particular M1 Macs) are good at, they're really good at. If you want something different or it's not the product for you, then just buy something different. If they don't offer something for you, I would never say you need to buy a Mac, but don't be bitter about it! I have used plenty of other machines in this price class and I feel like I got a steal at $999 for the M1 Air overall product. It floors me that someone would be naive enough to pretend like I got duped by the tech media by buying it. I know TigerGman is just as pathetic on the other side of things but you don't have to stoop low like that

That's great. I was just refuting ole boy trying to say the M1 macs are some kind of performance beast crushing similarly priced Windows machines. I'm not interested in arguing the subjective stuff because that's up to each individual.

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That's great. I was just refuting ole boy trying to say the M1 macs are some kind of performance beast crushing similarly priced Windows machines.

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And if your consideration of "performance" includes factors like performance per watt and heat output, it does.

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MacOS owns 15% of the PC market share. If macOS was better than Windows, more people would use it.

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How much of this number is floated by business usage though?

For the record, I’ll probably never get a personal laptop again. iPad Pro is the way to go.

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How much of this number is floated by business usage though?

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The OP didn't specify business usage. Although, I bet macOS has a tiny sliver of that market as well.

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Fat Batman

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Have you ever owned an Apple computer before?

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Does that matter? Businesses likely choose windows because it's less hacky. Meaning basically every program runs natively on Windows and you can't say the same for OSX.

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No it doesn’t, sales are sales. Would wonder what a strictly “personal use” spread would look like. Traditional PC probably still wins out, but I bet it’s a lot closer.