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4k TVs are cheap. So where is all the 4k content?
Posted on 8/17/15 at 11:48 am
Posted on 8/17/15 at 11:48 am
in the market for a new hdtv, and after looking at the prices, 4k is pretty much a no brainier a this point. 40" 4k TVs are around $600, and 50" are around $900.
but where the hell is all the content? ESPN was so quick to jump on the 3d hype, which crash and burned as expected, but no word on when they'll ever start broadcasting in 4k. hell, most TV stations don't even broadcast in 1080p, which, in 2015, is actually quite disgusting.
4k blu ray is still non existent for consumers.
Netflix has a grand total of zero 4k movies. Amazon has like 20.
Given the affordable prices of 4k sets, and the incredibly slow adoption of 4k content, I'm starting to doubt whether 4k will ever become as prevalent as standard 720p content.
but where the hell is all the content? ESPN was so quick to jump on the 3d hype, which crash and burned as expected, but no word on when they'll ever start broadcasting in 4k. hell, most TV stations don't even broadcast in 1080p, which, in 2015, is actually quite disgusting.
4k blu ray is still non existent for consumers.
Netflix has a grand total of zero 4k movies. Amazon has like 20.
Given the affordable prices of 4k sets, and the incredibly slow adoption of 4k content, I'm starting to doubt whether 4k will ever become as prevalent as standard 720p content.
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Posted on 8/17/15 at 11:49 am to demosa
It won't just like 3D. Marketing scheme. By the time you get real content your 4k now will be obsolete. Don't buy
Posted on 8/17/15 at 11:51 am to demosa
no point in buying a 4K 40"
Posted on 8/17/15 at 11:55 am to demosa
Don't forget the cost of upgrading cameras and processing equipment, as well as bandwidth limitations.
Posted on 8/17/15 at 12:02 pm to demosa
4K exists to solve the problem of people not buying as many new TVs as they did during the switch from SD to HD.
Posted on 8/17/15 at 12:43 pm to demosa
Bandwidth problem.
I don't think UHF or cable tv can handle content that big which is why the only 1080p content you can get on TV is through satellite.
bluray discs are 50 GB. 4k discs would need to be 200 GB.
When everyone has 1 Gbps internet with out data caps it will be everywhere. Until then we'll be stuck with upscaled 720p or 1080i
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hell, most TV stations don't even broadcast in 1080p, which, in 2015, is actually quite disgusting.
I don't think UHF or cable tv can handle content that big which is why the only 1080p content you can get on TV is through satellite.
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4k blu ray is still non existent for consumers.
bluray discs are 50 GB. 4k discs would need to be 200 GB.
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Given the affordable prices of 4k sets, and the incredibly slow adoption of 4k content, I'm starting to doubt whether 4k will ever become as prevalent as standard 720p content.
When everyone has 1 Gbps internet with out data caps it will be everywhere. Until then we'll be stuck with upscaled 720p or 1080i
This post was edited on 8/17/15 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 8/17/15 at 12:51 pm to colorchangintiger
why is everyone associating 4k content with internet connections?
why aren't dish or direct tv offering 4k content? why aren't Comcast, cox, or time Warner offering 4k content?
is coaxial not capable of delivering media in 4k?
why aren't dish or direct tv offering 4k content? why aren't Comcast, cox, or time Warner offering 4k content?
is coaxial not capable of delivering media in 4k?
Posted on 8/17/15 at 12:53 pm to TigerinATL
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4K exists to solve the problem of people not buying as many new TVs as they did during the switch from SD to HD.
And the (abject, utter) failure of 3D.
Posted on 8/17/15 at 1:01 pm to TigerinATL
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4K exists to solve the problem of people not buying as many new TVs as they did during the switch from SD to HD.
You can say that about a lot of interim technology improvements. If things don't get better, there's no incentive to keep buying those things. Look at the ridiculous release schedules for smartphones. That said, resolution increases are going to have more staying power than things like 3D and curved TVs. We didn't have a whole lot of 1080P content outside of blu-ray discs until online streaming really took off, but now that streaming is here to stay, I think 4K content will arrive more quickly (not necessarily fast, but not as slow as 1080). The most recent barrier was monetizing and protecting it. The barrier for broadcast tv in 4K is still bandwidth, plus the fact that it can't be done on existing equipment anyway (cable boxes/DVRs).
Posted on 8/17/15 at 1:05 pm to demosa
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why is everyone associating 4k content with internet connections?
why aren't dish or direct tv offering 4k content? why aren't Comcast, cox, or time Warner offering 4k content?
Really? I just stated:
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I don't think UHF or cable tv can handle content that big which is why the only 1080p content you can get on TV is through satellite.
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why aren't Comcast, cox, or time Warner offering 4k content?
Cable can't handle 1080p and satellite can barely handle 1080p. 4k is 4x the pixels of 1080p.
This post was edited on 8/17/15 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 8/17/15 at 1:34 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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You can say that about a lot of interim technology improvements.
This is happening in a business landscape full of dinosaurs and quasi monopolies. Under normal market conditions we seem to fill new capacity in technology as fast as they can make it. But when a handful of content creators are making the content most people want to see, they have to see value to invest in the new technology. The SD to HD transition was aided in no small part by government mandate of local and cable broadcasts and requiring digital tuners in TVs.
What might change this more than anything is that the kids don't watch TV potentially breaking the control of the established content creators.
This post was edited on 8/17/15 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 8/17/15 at 2:37 pm to demosa
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why is everyone associating 4k content with internet connections?
why aren't dish or direct tv offering 4k content? why aren't Comcast, cox, or time Warner offering 4k content?
is coaxial not capable of delivering media in 4k?
Bandwidth applies to all forms of transmission, be it IP based (internet) cable television, over the air transmissions, or Satellite transmissions.
This is a matter of physics and technology. There is only so much spectrum DirecTv has to play with. In addition to the regulatory limitations on the spectrum they have, they only have so many physical satellites in the sky, so there is a physical infrastructure capacity limit as well.
Coax has a limit to the bandwidth as well. You need to remember that Coax is carrying telephone, cable TV, and internet all on the same cable now. These all operate on different frequencies. To compound the issue, analog channels take more space than digital channels, hence the transitions all across the country to completely digital infrastructure. If you have charter or Cox in South LA you have probably already been transitioned to full digital. This is to free up more capacity for internet, and channels.
Infrastructure is a massive issue here and you can't just flip a switch and give 4k for everyone on every channel.
That's why everyone keeps talking about bandwidth.
ETA: Luckily very smart people and organizations are working on standards and compression to make things more efficient. DOCSIS 3.1 is about to start rolling out in the next few years which will squeeze some more life out of coax.
This post was edited on 8/17/15 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 8/17/15 at 2:47 pm to WavinWilly
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Infrastructure is a massive issue here and you can't just flip a switch and give 4k for everyone one every channel.
You mean they don't just bore out the pipe to make it bigger?
Posted on 8/17/15 at 3:09 pm to WavinWilly
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Bandwidth applies to all forms of transmission, be it IP based (internet) cable television, over the air transmissions, or Satellite transmissions.
This is a matter of physics and technology. There is only so much spectrum DirecTv has to play with. In addition to the regulatory limitations on the spectrum they have, they only have so many physical satellites in the sky, so there is a physical infrastructure capacity limit as well.
Coax has a limit to the bandwidth as well. You need to remember that Coax is carrying telephone, cable TV, and internet all on the same cable now. These all operate on different frequencies. To compound the issue, analog channels take more space than digital channels, hence the transitions all across the country to completely digital infrastructure. If you have charter or Cox in South LA you have probably already been transitioned to full digital. This is to free up more capacity for internet, and channels.
Infrastructure is a massive issue here and you can't just flip a switch and give 4k for everyone on every channel.
this is depressing. sounds like most people will still be watching 720p content 30 years from now.
Posted on 8/17/15 at 3:21 pm to demosa
quote:i have asked many internet/ A/V people about the capacity of Coax.......and no one has been able to give me an answer. When is coax going to be the bottleneck.
is coaxial not capable of delivering media in 4k?
Posted on 8/17/15 at 3:33 pm to CarRamrod
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i have asked many internet/ A/V people about the capacity of Coax.......and no one has been able to give me an answer. When is coax going to be the bottleneck.
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It is a moving target as standards change.
ETA and the Node is a big limiting factor as well. I've got 1Gbps Ethernet at a location with a 200mbps connection, but the firewall doesn't support speeds that high so until that is upgraded, I don't get the full 200mbps.
This post was edited on 8/17/15 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 8/17/15 at 5:49 pm to CarRamrod
quote:There is no real answer. The cable itself can handle multiple Gbps, and if the entire frequency range available were used for 4k TV, they could probably fit about 50 channels on the cable. And you know they need to fit far more than 50 channels on there, so 4k TV via cable just isn't going to happen. On-demand content in 4k is a possibility, but it just seems simpler to use the internet for on-demand 4k viewing rather than via the cable company, so that's probably not going to happen either.
i have asked many internet/ A/V people about the capacity of Coax.......and no one has been able to give me an answer. When is coax going to be the bottleneck.
I'm not sure if there is an actual limit to the bandwidth that coax can physically carry, though. You introduce limits via standards and supporting equipment, as Willy said. As an example, an analog channel on cable is allocated 6mhz, and I believe they fit 2 digital HD channels into 1 analog channel. That means a 4k stream would probably take up 2 analog channels, and I don't have a clue about the technical hoops to jump through to make that happen.
That's the best I understand it, anyway. I could be totally wrong.
Posted on 8/17/15 at 6:45 pm to demosa
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this is depressing. sounds like most people will still be watching 720p content 30 years from now.
Unless there's a sudden shift in current trends, 30 years from now there won't be cable TV as we know it. Or it'll be one of those things you can't believe is still around, like AOL dialup.
Posted on 8/17/15 at 9:38 pm to ILikeLSUToo
About the only thing in 4K now is porn.
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