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re: You know what a 4-0 victory against Guatemala means?

Posted on 3/29/16 at 10:53 pm to
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 3/29/16 at 10:53 pm to
Arena's tenure was the halcyon days of US Soccer, unfortunately.

Not sure how Sunil rose so far up in the USSF. I thought he was there since the early 90s, but I think that's his actual job at the World Bank after he got his PhD. I figured he may have been at the USSF at a time when it was small potatoes, but it seems like he's only been around for 13 or 14 years. Not sure how he rose so fast.
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 3/29/16 at 10:55 pm to
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I figured he may have been at the USSF at a time when it was small potatoes, but it seems like he's only been around for 13 or 14 years. Not sure how he rose so fast.


He has some Chuck Blazer-stank on him.
Posted by WinnPtiger
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 3/29/16 at 11:03 pm to
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No. No it was not.


there's not a lot in the tank right now. I agree that qualifying is of the utmost importance. today was emotionally draining. but our display in the U-23 was disgraceful
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 3/29/16 at 11:08 pm to
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He has some Chuck Blazer-stank on him.


Im not sure. He had to have been vetted before the US went on its hunt for FIFA types.

Seems like he just has the same disconnect that the USSF has always had when dealing with this sport in the US.

What types of initiatives has US soccer proposed to bridge the gaps in youth soccer/development in this country?
Posted by Bluefin
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Posted on 3/29/16 at 11:11 pm to
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I even think that this cycle has mirrored many other WCQF cycles before for the USMNT.

That's exactly the problem. We've gone nowhere.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 3/29/16 at 11:15 pm to
Yeah, Gulati is an extremely intelligent, highly educated man with a real career outside of soccer.

In other words, he should know better. I think he is just in awe of getting to hang out with an all time great soccer legend, and it's a huge blind spot.

Also, this was supposed to be his huge splash hire. He essentially bid against himself and gave Klinsmann 5 times Bradley's salary when no one else wanted him.
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 3/29/16 at 11:21 pm to
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That's exactly the problem. We've gone nowhere.


Well, is it the manager or the system that produces the talent? How many mangers with the same results? Maybe it is another issue holding us back?


Im not defending jurgen at all. I dont like him and I dont dislike him. I think he is irrelevant in the larger picture of the USMNT. I think he stinks if he is going to be a mainstay of US soccer in any kind of developmental role post hoc. I get people hate him now but just wait until he actually moves on to other roles in the USSF.

People that care need to start looking at US Soccer as a whole and making changes on a larger level. Just my humble opinion.
This post was edited on 3/29/16 at 11:23 pm
Posted by cwil177
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Posted on 3/30/16 at 12:49 am to
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If Klinsmann wasn't in over his head, we could have had guys like Yedlin and Pulisic playing for the U-23 team but the technical director had to pull up those guys to save the coach's job.

This. And did we really need to have Pulisic play ten meaningless minutes against Guatemala or should we have him help our U-23 team qualify for an important tournament? We never needed to worry about cap tying this kid. And we should be able to feel comfortable enough in defeating Guatemala at home that we don't feel the need to call in Yedlin, when fullback was a key position of need for the U-23s (see: Acosta playing out of position at left back). Also, Green, who Klinsmann took to the World Cup over the best player in our history, failed to step foot on the field for a U-23 match when it mattered most (almost two years after his selection to that WC squad). All of these things reflect poorly on Klinsmann, as both a coach and a technical director, and should not be forgotten in the disappointment of missing out on the olympics again.
This post was edited on 3/30/16 at 7:19 am
Posted by Stewie Griffin
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Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:23 am to
The whole technical director/head coach thing is as doomed to fail as the head coach/GM thing in the NBA, barring an incredibly exceptional soccer mind, like Pop is to the NBA.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:33 am to
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And did we really need to have Pulisic play ten meaningless minutes against Guatemala or should we have him help our U-23 team qualify for an important tournament?

Would Dortmund have released him to play in the U23 game? They had to release him for the USMNT but not for the U23s.
Posted by Tennessee Jed
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Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:36 am to
I'm just happy that cooler heads are captaining the ship.
Posted by hendersonshands
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Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:44 am to
Yeah or else we would be missing out on all of the wonderful things that Jurgen is bringing to the table
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:59 am to
Wait, this board is happy now?
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 3/30/16 at 11:25 am to
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This man has no real understandings of the unique nature and dynamic at play ion the youth ranks. He talks about culture change but does nothing at the grass roots to facilitate that change.


This is factually innacurate.

Some of you people jump on the bandwagon yet have no clue how anything works.
Posted by BamaChemE
Midland, TX
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 3/30/16 at 12:24 pm to
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You want to be the head coach and the technical director? How about doing one of those things well?


The great American Ron Swanson once reflected on this

Posted by itawambadog
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Posted on 3/30/16 at 12:42 pm to
If we beat St. Vincent and T&T beats Guatemala in their next game that should be enough for us to go through. I just worry about the team in the Hex.
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 3/30/16 at 12:46 pm to
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If we beat St. Vincent and T&T beats Guatemala in their next game that should be enough for us to go through. I just worry about the team in the Hex.



See, I'm not even worried about the Hex. It's pretty hard for a team with our talent pool to not finish in the top 4 out of 6 teams.

What worries me though is that trajectory of our program is either stagnant or trending downward.
Posted by uway
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Posted on 3/30/16 at 3:54 pm to
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What worries me though is that trajectory of our program is either stagnant or trending downward


We still have pretty good and maybe improving overall talent. He just has obviously had trouble getting them I the right positions and playing well together since the World Cup.

We have enough high quality defenders to have a solid back line, probably the class of CONCACAF.

We have a lot of midfielders especially since he has started calling in some different guys like Nagbe and Finlay.

Biggest question is where the goals will come from and it seems like Dempsey is still the only consistent performer. If we had somebody at Donovan's level on this team, the difference would be night and day.

I don't think JK is making us suck on purpose, and he definitely didn't plan to barely make the Hex, but we have to remember we were in really good shape in the buildup to the 2014 World Cup. He soured it by leaving off Donovan, but overall we were strong. The point being it would not be surprising if we started seeing the team coming together and moving in a positive direction again as things get serious.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 3/30/16 at 4:00 pm to
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but we have to remember we were in really good shape in the buildup to the 2014 World Cup.


The thing about that though is that we had a consistent core for the most part.

I read something on ESPN today where it said that for the third round of WCQ's last cycle, we used four total CB's for all 6 games (Bocanegra, Goodson, Onyewu, Cameron).

That of course changed going into the hex, but even in that round, we had an idea of who our core 5 or 6 players were.

I don't get that feeling this time around and that's what worries me.
Posted by 3rdRowTailgater
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Posted on 3/30/16 at 8:43 pm to
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American Outlaws need to show some fricking balls with a Gulati Out tifo or something.


I was on the front row for the USWNT game in NOLA and when Sunil passed by I did yell "Sack Jurgen!" Unfortunately he did not listen.
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