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re: Would repealing Title IX help soccer in the USA?
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:50 am to Big Gorilla
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:50 am to Big Gorilla
Brazil, uruguay, and Argentina. The other powers are European. I wish that age rule for EU permits didn't exist for us.
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Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:53 am to bad93ex
quote:that’s not what I mean at all man
It is legitimately the cheapest sport to play, you literally only need a ball.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:58 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:are you sure about that? When I was growing up the fees, travel costs, and possible equipment expenses meant you had to spend around $1000 a month to play on a club team. That’s just impossible for many people in the US. As far as interest goes, yes, we don’t have the city kids kicking a ball like they do in the streets of Brazil. They’d rather play basketball. But my point about it being inaccessible financially is still true lmao
Soccer might be the cheapest sport ever to play other than basketball. It has nothing to do with a lack of money
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:01 pm to SabiDojo
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How expensive is travel basketball? Club soccer is expensive. My son is 10 and it’s $160 per month and you are responsible for your own travel expenses, which comes out to easily $600 to $800 per weekend
It would be interesting to know where the best soccer players in Brazil come from. I doubt the come from rich families. They probably grew up playing soccer in a dirt field with wooden goal posts.
It’s not like you need to play club soccer to develop skill at a young age. These people have a natural talent. Later on they need coaching to reach their full potential for sure.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:04 pm to RebelVol
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But my point about it being inaccessible financially is still true lmao
Utterly false
The average income in Brazil is $7,000
The average income in the US is $70,000
Poor people in the US have as many resources as average people in Brazil.
And we have 150 million more people than they do.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:06 pm to Hmanhunt
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It’s expensive to travel 5 hours and stay overnight to play other quality teams
$150 home, away and third kits beg to differ as well
So do club fees. Played club in BR. Expensive as frick
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:08 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Poor people in the US have as many resources as average people in Brazil.
Playing Devil's Advocate here but if you visit literally any park here in the United States you will see a basketball and tennis court but no soccer fields. When I went to Guatemala on a mission trip, every little village had a soccer field.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:09 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:As they grow older do you think they have more access to teams/leagues/coaching in soccer or basketball?
It would be interesting to know where the best soccer players in Brazil come from. I doubt the come from rich families. They probably grew up playing soccer in a dirt field with wooden goal posts.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:12 pm to MOT
18 year old kid who is a good player. No 4 year university has a program close by. So he either goes to Hinds County Community College to play ball or gives up soccer and focuses on a college degree at a good state school. It’s a no-brainer. Title IX has absolutely hurt men’s soccer
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:17 pm to AllDayEveryDay
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Just repeal the 19th amendment.
That would help a lot more than soccer…
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:22 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:you’re purposely being obtuse here. Soccer is played on every street corner in Brazil. It’s not even played in some towns here. That means every poor kid in Brazil can walk outside and find some field to play on. A team will find them. Poor kids in the US can’t do that. There’s very few teams/scouts here compared to Brazil. What do you not understand
Utterly false The average income in Brazil is $7,000 The average income in the US is $70,000 Poor people in the US have as many resources as average people in Brazil.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:23 pm to SabiDojo
quote:Men’s collegiate soccer, yeah
Title IX has absolutely hurt men’s soccer
Nothing related to our future national team pool as all of them are in Europe by their mid teens
This post was edited on 12/3/22 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:24 pm to RebelVol
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Poor kids in the US can’t do that. There’s very few teams/scouts here compared to Brazil. What do you not understand
So are you in agreeance that having a better college system would benefit those youth?
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:25 pm to RemouladeSawce
Yeah for sure but more atmosphere and exposure for men’s soccer only helps the talent pool grow. It increases competition which is a good thing
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:30 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:This is naive
Poor people in the US have as many resources as average people in Brazil.
The cost to develop a poor Brazilian kid into an academy-worthy player is relatively insignificant due to the degree of opportunity around them
The cost to develop a poor American kid into an academy-worthy player is cost-prohibitive because opportunity only comes in the form of comically expensive clubs
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:31 pm to bad93ex
Here’s the problem in a nutshell.
I love soccer. My kids love soccer and played well in rec.
The closest high school with soccer is 45 minutes away. I don’t live in the wilds of Montana.
There aren’t enough people here in America that care about soccer, so it’s easy for players to fall through the cracks, and the best athletes mostly choose other sports.
Maybe it would work for US soccer to pick one or two relatively soccer-crazy locales in the US and hyper-focus on getting every ounce of available talent in those two areas. You need pressure over time to turn coal into diamonds. We need more pressure in a smaller area.
I love soccer. My kids love soccer and played well in rec.
The closest high school with soccer is 45 minutes away. I don’t live in the wilds of Montana.
There aren’t enough people here in America that care about soccer, so it’s easy for players to fall through the cracks, and the best athletes mostly choose other sports.
Maybe it would work for US soccer to pick one or two relatively soccer-crazy locales in the US and hyper-focus on getting every ounce of available talent in those two areas. You need pressure over time to turn coal into diamonds. We need more pressure in a smaller area.
This post was edited on 12/3/22 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:33 pm to RemouladeSawce
I think with our model and focus being on school and college sports you can argue that having more programs would drive more interest and make the game more mainstream much quicker than what we have currently. Even if the best players would still need to be plucked and sent to Europe for the best development, having more kids interested into their teens would be a huge positive.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:42 pm to MOT
We have men’s professional soccer. We have men’s college soccer (and no one cares about it). We have men’s high school soccer. We have youth club and non-club soccer.
We do not lack awareness of the sport known as soccer. We lack a model that gives every kid an opportunity.
We do not lack awareness of the sport known as soccer. We lack a model that gives every kid an opportunity.
This post was edited on 12/3/22 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:42 pm to MOT
Exactly. More competition
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:43 pm to Earnest_P
quote:
Here’s the problem in a nutshell.
I love soccer. My kids love soccer and played well in rec. The closest high school with soccer is 45 minutes away. I don’t live in the wilds of Montana.
There aren’t enough people here in America that care about soccer. That’s it.
Maybe it would work for US soccer to pick one or two relatively soccer-crazy locales in the US and hyper-focus on getting every ounce of available talent in those two areas. You need pressure over time to turn coal into diamonds. We need more pressure in a smaller area.
I think the U.S. needs to try to be the equivalent of what the Dominican Republic and Latin American countries in baseball. We need European clubs to scout and take our kids at a very young age and develop them for us. Of course, that opens up a whole new can of worms. How many parents are willing to pack up and relocate their entire family to Europe for their 11-year-old child who might not even be able to make it professionally? It’s a huge risk.
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