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re: Why are european clubs so quick to fire managers?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:24 am to Dandy Lion
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:24 am to Dandy Lion
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All you have to do is suck donkey dicks for a few seasons, stock up un key talent, buy mercenaries, and you´re in business.
Who does that work for? The best players aren't tied down to those crappy franchises for life. They leave for greener pastures when and if they can. And it's pretty rare to get a "mercenary" go to crappy city/franchise.
In America the big cities still have a huge advantage it just gives other teams/cities a chance to build something if everything goes right every couple of decades. In Europe this possibility does not exist anymore.
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:26 am to RandySavage
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Same for Spain
Neither La Coruña nor Valencia are the two biggest cities.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:27 am to LSU316
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So in one way you are comparing these cities/markets to European cities/markets but in another way you are comparing them to other US cities/markets....then you are trying to correlate the argument.
Don't even know what you are trying to say. What I'm saying and proving is that in the European set up only the largest cities have a chance to win.
In the U.S. they still have a huge advantage but it isn't total.
You don't have to agree that one way is better than the other, that's all opinion, but DC said that only the largest cities have a chance in the U.S. is well which is what I've easily refuted.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:28 am to Dandy Lion
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Neither La Coruña nor Valencia are the two biggest cities.
Which is why neither have done anything in over a decade or will in the foreseeable future.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:29 am to RandySavage
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Who does that work for?
It works to reward poor team management which is completely arse backwards and forces players to play in certain cities or not play at all. Totally ridiculous.
And we've already proved that smaller markets than those that have won in the U.S. can compete at the highest levels in Europe.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 11:30 am
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:31 am to Draconian Sanctions
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And we've already proved that smaller markets than those that have won in the U.S. Can compete at the highest levels.
No you haven't. The two attempts thrown out were the 4th biggest city in a country and the 8th biggest with a marginal history.
I listed like 15 US cities that fell way further down the list than 8th even.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:33 am to Draconian Sanctions
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It works to reward poor team management
While this is certainly true in some cases, it's not always poor team management that causes teams to suck.
Southampton has managed their club brilliantly and still can't crack the top 6 of the worst Premiere League in recent history.
If Milwaukee had to rely solely on convincing players to play there they might as well not even have a team.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:35 am to Draconian Sanctions
Torino was the Italian city traditionally flush with cash due to Fiat and generally being the manufacturing capital, particularly during the post-war economic boom when both Juve and Torino really built their reputations.
Not to mention that Juve has always been the most supported Italian club by Italians from all over the country, which they cater to by focusing on rosters full of Italian NT players.
Juve's new stadium is relatively small but they fill up the visiting section at every away match. Torino FC actually has almost as many supporters in the actual city.
It's tough to compare to the USA, but a certain dynamic of Juve would compare to Green Bay if the Packers had mainly kept making Super Bowls consistently and been "America's team" for five decades.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:36 am to RandySavage
Going back to 1980 no team, aside from Dortmund once, has won Europe without being one of the top 5 largest cities in its country.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:37 am to RandySavage
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If Milwaukee had to rely solely on convincing players to play there they might as well not even have a team.
You also don't seem to understand the difference between a club and a franchise. Winning is not necessarily the sole purpose of a club. Go ask the St. Pauli fans if they would trade their club culture for a few European trophies and I guarantee you'd get a resounding no. West Ham just fired their coach not because he wasn't successful but because his style of play doesn't fit the culture of what those fans want, which is more important to them than just plugging along winning games in a manner they deem to be less than ideal.
I know that's a hard thing for an American to get their head around because here's winning is the only thing that anyone cares about.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:38 am to RandySavage
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has won Europe without being one of the top 5 largest cities in its country.
But there have been plenty who have been outside the top 5 cities in Europe which is what the comparison should be since you're talking about the European Cup.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:38 am to wm72
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but a certain dynamic of Juve would compare to Green Bay if the Packers had mainly kept making Super Bowls consistently and been "America's team" for five decades.
Except for it's the 4th largest city in Italy compared with Green Bay which is the 70th largest market in the U.S.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:41 am to Draconian Sanctions
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But there have been plenty who have been outside the top 5 cities in Europe which is what the comparison should be since you're talking about the European Cup
1. I already said the CL is one reason the European system can work there. The US does not have anything comparable unless you wanted to split it's professional leagues into regions.
2. They may not be in the top 5 city in Europe but when they are getting the backing, funding, and resources of a top 5 city in a major European nation it puts them on a much more level playing field than the difference between Milwaukee and New York.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:42 am to Draconian Sanctions
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You also don't seem to understand the difference between a club and a franchise. Winning is not necessarily the sole purpose of a club. Go ask the St. Pauli fans if they would trade their club culture for a few European trophies and I guarantee you'd get a resounding no. West Ham just fired their coach not because he wasn't successful but because his style of play doesn't fit the culture of what those fans want, which is more important to them than just plugging along winning games in a manner they deem to be less than ideal.
I know that's a hard thing for an American to get their head around because here's winning is the only thing that anyone cares about.
This has absolutely nothing to do with anything being discussed in this thread.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 11:42 am
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:42 am to Draconian Sanctions
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the difference between a club and a franchise
Here is the key to all this hubbub.....
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:42 am to RandySavage
But Green Bay is one of the 4 or 5 largest cities in Wisconsin so you're comparison doesn't count.
New Orleans is the largest city in Louisiana so same thing there.
That's what you sound like.
New Orleans is the largest city in Louisiana so same thing there.
That's what you sound like.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:44 am to RandySavage
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This has absolutely nothing to do with anything being discussed in this thread.
It does because as you said yourself you don't see the reason for a team to even exist of it can't realistically compete at the highest levels. It's the foundation of your entire mindset on this issue.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 11:45 am
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:45 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I know that's a hard thing for an American to get their head around because here's winning is the only thing that anyone cares about.
You pretty must screwed your argument with this statement. Plenty of NA sports teams care as much about their team culture as they do winning. You see it more in College but it is still very much prevalent in Pro sports.
The Browns sucked for decades yet packed their stadium. Same for Baltimore Colts in the late years.
Winning isn't everything but if you don't care about winning nor try to win you have no business playing above jr levels.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 11:46 am
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:47 am to benhamin5555
How much do y'all think the fact that managers are basically Head coaches and GM's at the same time leads to these quicker exits?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:49 am to RTR America
quote:It´s important.
How much do y'all think the fact that managers are basically Head coaches and GM's at the same time leads to these quicker exits?
In fact, in Spain, each season is referred to as a ´project´. Especially so, when the head coach is new.
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