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re: Why are european clubs so quick to fire managers?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:16 pm to RandySavage
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:16 pm to RandySavage
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by putting words into my mouth
I'm not doing anything of the sort. you have advocated for a system that restricts worker rights throughout this thread.
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the ability of one approach to foster a more even level of competition
Why is that important?
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 4:17 pm
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:18 pm to Dandy Lion
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Anyway, I stated that winning your domestic league, or competing for it, is not unlike winning your division/conference, in the US
I would disagree. At the beginning of a season there is no LA Laker fan who says I just hope we win the Pacific division.
Winning a domestic league is a really big deal and not comparable to winning your division in American sports.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:19 pm to RandySavage
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Winning a domestic league is a really big deal and not comparable to winning your division in American sports.
well we agree on one thing.
I'd say it's more like winning the SEC in football at worst.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:21 pm to nvasil1
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So if you're acknowledging money is the answer, then what do the arguments about market size and parity have to with anything?
The big markets are where the big money is. Like I said there is a reason Roman bought Chelsea and not Burnley.
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Yet they could if they wanted.
Sure, why not? But they won't.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:23 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I'm not doing anything of the sort. you have advocated for a system that restricts worker rights throughout this thread.
I didn't advocate for anything. I made a statement and proved my statement.
Yes, I personally prefer the system that promotes and more level playing field but I said from the beginning that's just personal preference and there was no right or wrong.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:24 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I'd say it's more like winning the SEC in football at worst.
Agree but even that's a stretch unless it's a school like Vandy, Ole Miss, or UGA winning the SEC.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:25 pm to RandySavage
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Winning a domestic league is a really big deal and not comparable to winning your division in American sports.
CL- Super Bowl
domestic league- equivalent to qualifying for playoffs, with shitty league champs being the equivalent of wildcards (well, slightly superior to wildcard, as .500 times make it now. TOO WATERED DOWN.).
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:26 pm to RandySavage
The European setup is better because it generates interest multiple ways. It doesn't have to be all about the title and nothing else. Legitimate rivalries (not the forces kind you see in American pro sports) add value. The relegation scrap adds value from the bottom. Teams can earn qualification for the Champions League and the Europa League, which adds value. These places generally are unsettled until the season. There are very few games without a compelling impetus for at least one team, which can't be said at all in America. There are concurrent cup competitions. The league’s structure doesn’t require egalitarianism to create broad interest. Teams are on different levels, but each level has its own attainable goal. It's a much more interesting product top to bottom.
Also, American don't like parity as much as they claim, either. NBA ratings spiked when LeBron and Bosh went to Miami, and baseball ratings plummet when the Yankees, Red Sox and Cubs are out of the playoffs. the NFL maintains interest via scarcity of it's product, the fact that there are so many fewer games. American was NFL crazy in the 90's too when the 49ers and Cowboys dominated the league.
Also, American don't like parity as much as they claim, either. NBA ratings spiked when LeBron and Bosh went to Miami, and baseball ratings plummet when the Yankees, Red Sox and Cubs are out of the playoffs. the NFL maintains interest via scarcity of it's product, the fact that there are so many fewer games. American was NFL crazy in the 90's too when the 49ers and Cowboys dominated the league.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:29 pm to Dandy Lion
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domestic league- equivalent to qualifying for playoffs
I have never seen an American professional sports team have a parade for making the playoffs.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:36 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Legitimate rivalries (not the forces kind you see in American pro sports) add value.
I don't think this has anything to do with the setup. It's more to do with how long these clubs have faced each other, their proximity to each other, lack of other sporting interests, less transience etc...
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The relegation scrap adds value from the bottom
Agree here.
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Teams can earn qualification for the Champions League and the Europa League, which adds value.
Said the same in my first post. However, it's not the USA's fault they don't have any way to replicate this.
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There are very few games without a compelling impetus for at least one team,
Agree.
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Teams are on different levels, but each level has its own attainable goal.
Here is where we differ. Who the hell wants to put their heart and soul into being a West Brom fan when they enter a season thinking "17th or better and we're good".
I mean when Sunderland drew Arsenal last week they were freaking crying about clinching 17th. In a way that's cool they still had something to care about but is that really what you want 90% of your clubs to be hoping for.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:38 pm to RandySavage
Well why be a Mississippi State fan? You're never going to win the National Title.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:41 pm to RandySavage
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The big markets are where the big money is. Like I said there is a reason Roman bought Chelsea and not Burnley
Roman brought the big money to the club though.
If it were just about big markets having money to attract rich buyers, why haven't all the London clubs been more dominant, particularly in Europe? Why do Roma and Lazio have only 5 combined Scudetti in their histories? Why was PSG a mid to lower table team for much of the last 20 years?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:49 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Well why be a Mississippi State fan?
That would suck too.
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You're never going to win the National Title.
Probably not but it's 1000x more likely than Burnley winning the EPL or CL. Hell they were #1 in the nation in mid November last year.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:51 pm to nvasil1
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If it were just about big markets having money to attract rich buyers, why haven't all the London clubs been more dominant, particularly in Europe? Why do Roma and Lazio have only 5 combined Scudetti in their histories? Why was PSG a mid to lower table team for much of the last 20 years?
Because this is a recent trend.
Also, it's other huge markets winning them it's not like Parma and Rennes are winning them.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:55 pm to RandySavage
The tribalism over there is very similar to how we are in the SEC though.
West Brom fans feel about the club they were born into the same way we do. Winning the title isn't the primary driver of their fandom.
West Brom fans feel about the club they were born into the same way we do. Winning the title isn't the primary driver of their fandom.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 5:06 pm to RandySavage
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Because this is a recent trend.
What is?
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Also, it's other huge markets winning them it's not like Parma and Rennes are winning them.
Are we talking in Europe or domestically?
With the exception of Chelsea, the teams that have won the CL have always been in contention.
Montpellier overtook PSG after the holiday break to win Ligue 1. Udinese finished in the CL places over the Roman clubs and Inter in a couple of recent seasons.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 5:18 pm to nvasil1
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Montpellier overtook PSG after the holiday break to win Ligue 1.
Thanks for bringing that up
Posted on 5/26/15 at 5:23 pm to nvasil1
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What is?
Billionaire foreign investors putting hundreds of millions of dollars into potentially sexy clubs which has in turn forced traditional powers like Madrid and United to spend equally to keep up making it a giant arms race. Traditional powers like Liverpool and Milans who can't spend to keep up are falling by the wayside.
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Montpellier overtook PSG after the holiday break to win Ligue 1. Udinese finished in the CL places over the Roman clubs and Inter in a couple of recent seasons.
What have Montpellier and Udinese ever won?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 5:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Hahaha, excuse me.
Actually, you'd think the people arguing for parity would love Ligue 1 since the Lyon dynasty ended.
Actually, you'd think the people arguing for parity would love Ligue 1 since the Lyon dynasty ended.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 5:41 pm to nvasil1
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Actually, you'd think the people arguing for parity would love Ligue 1 since the Lyon dynasty ended.
They know we're in the midst of a much greater dynasty
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