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re: Why are european clubs so quick to fire managers?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 10:00 am to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 5/26/15 at 10:00 am to Draconian Sanctions
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that's not true at all. Do you think the European setup is "terrible"?
In some ways yes. The only teams that ever win are teams from the biggest cities.
London, Munich, Barcelona, Milan, Liverpool, Manchester, Rome, Madrid, Lisbon, Porto, Amsterdam, now Paris...
These are all the biggest cities in their respective countries among major soccer nations.
It would get really old when LA and NY won 90% of American sports titles (except maybe hockey but most of the country doesn't care about that).
It works for Europe because of the CL/Europa setup that they are able to provide that would not be an option in the United States.
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 10:15 am to RandySavage
If you think it's so boring then why do you watch? Boring to me is a closed system with no real punishment to teams who run their teams poorly. They are in fact rewarded with first crack at the top youth talent.
And in the U.S. teams from the biggest cities not only win everything but they are the only ones who have teams in the top leagues in the first place, with no chance for smaller cities to even play at that level. The Rochester Rhinos are blocked from ever making it to the MLB in the first place.
And in the U.S. teams from the biggest cities not only win everything but they are the only ones who have teams in the top leagues in the first place, with no chance for smaller cities to even play at that level. The Rochester Rhinos are blocked from ever making it to the MLB in the first place.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 10:16 am
Posted on 5/26/15 at 10:28 am to Draconian Sanctions
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If you think it's so boring then why do you watch?
I don't except for England because it's the only league where there are multiple top teams with a shot to win most years. I also watch the Champions League because it's awesome but, again, not feasible in the U.S.
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And in the U.S. teams from the biggest cities not only win everything
Pittsburgh, Charlotte, Tampa, St. Louis, Seattle, Green Bay, San Antonio, Baltimore, New Orleans, Indianapolis, Dallas, Columbus, Kansas City, San Jose...
These cities have all won male professional sports titles in the last decade.
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they are the only ones who have teams in the top leagues in the first place, with no chance for smaller cities to even play at that level. The Rochester Rhinos are blocked from ever making it to the MLB in the first place.
Promotion/relegation is cool sure but with 30+ team professional leagues it's not really necessary or sustainable in the United States. The Rochester Rhinos would go bankrupt before the All-Star Break if they had to pay major league salaries.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 10:40 am to RandySavage
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The only teams that ever win are teams from the biggest cities.
Turin and Dortmund say 'hi'
Posted on 5/26/15 at 10:50 am to RandySavage
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Pittsburgh, Charlotte, Tampa, St. Louis, Seattle, Green Bay, San Antonio, Baltimore, New Orleans, Indianapolis, Dallas, Columbus, Kansas City, San Jose...
These cities have all won male professional sports titles in the last decade.
Those are all pretty big cities except Green Bay (an anomaly by U.S. Standards) and to a lesser extent New Orleans (culturally unique). Stoke, Southampton, West Brom, Sunderland, and Hull are all a good bit smaller than the places you listed and have an opportunity to play at the top level. Something unavailable to cities of a comparable size in the U.S.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 10:51 am
Posted on 5/26/15 at 10:52 am to TN Bhoy
Porto is not very big, either. It´s a city, but not even a medium sized one.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 10:52 am to TN Bhoy
When the best outliers you can find are the 4th biggest city in a country and Dortmund, with a marginal footballing history, it kind of proves my point.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:01 am to RandySavage
Dortmund and Turin would be extremely small market teams in the US, if they even had a team. Both probably would have been moved to larger markets years ago.
Porto is a little bigger but still in the San Antonio range.
Porto is a little bigger but still in the San Antonio range.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 11:02 am
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:07 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Porto is a little bigger but still in the San Antonio range.
dafuq?
Porto is tiny (about 200K).
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:09 am to Dandy Lion
Wiki says 1.8 million urban population 
still a small market by American standards no matter how you slice it.
still a small market by American standards no matter how you slice it.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 11:10 am
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:11 am to Dandy Lion
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Porto is not very big, either. It´s a city, but not even a medium sized one.
According to wiki it's the second largest city in Portugal.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:13 am to RandySavage
Portugal is the size of Virginia 
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:14 am to RandySavage
and? Lisbon is not even 500K.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:16 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Dortmund and Turin would be extremely small market teams in the US, if they even had a team
They are the 8th and 4th largest cities in their respective countries.
Meanwhile here are the market ranks of the American cities I listed that have recent championships.
14, 16, 21, 23, 24, 25, 26, 31, 32, 37, 53, 70
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:19 am to RandySavage
Not to piss on your argument, but Charlotte? What title have they won? Hornets and Panthers haven't won shite. Don't use the Hurricanes because they are in Raleigh, which is smaller than Charlotte so I will give you that "error".
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:20 am to Draconian Sanctions
Are you guys serious? Do you understand relativity at all?
It doesn't matter how big Portugal is, the two biggest cities always win. Same for Spain, Amsterdam, France. In England and Italy the gap extends only to the 3-4 biggest cities.
It doesn't matter how big Portugal is, the two biggest cities always win. Same for Spain, Amsterdam, France. In England and Italy the gap extends only to the 3-4 biggest cities.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:21 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Boring to me is a closed system with no real punishment to teams who run their teams poorly. They are in fact rewarded with first crack at the top youth talent.
This. American pro sports are like an extremely watered down and rigged lottery. Socialism at it´s best (everybody wins, no matter how bad or how boring). All you have to do is suck donkey dicks for a few seasons, stock up un key talent, buy mercenaries, and you´re in business.
So boring and anticlimatic, the majority of the time (the actual games).
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:21 am to RandySavage
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In England and Italy the gap extends only to the 3-4 biggest cities.
Um...
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:21 am to EastNastySwag
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Don't use the Hurricanes because they are in Raleigh, which is smaller than Charlotte so I will give you that "error".
Fair enough, I know nothing about hockey and just assumed. But thanks because it just proves my point further.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:22 am to RandySavage
So in one way you are comparing these cities/markets to European cities/markets but in another way you are comparing them to other US cities/markets....then you are trying to correlate the argument.
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