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re: USMNT Captain Michael Bradley had this to say about the travel ban
Posted on 1/30/17 at 2:25 pm to LuckyTiger
Posted on 1/30/17 at 2:25 pm to LuckyTiger
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Unconstitutional? Nope. And I booked Con Law in law school and went on to the DOJ.
It's worrying that you have such a loose grasp on the elementary concept of due process. I highly doubt you took a law school class of any sort if you think the wording of this order is, on its face, constitutional. However, if you are so adamant, explain to me how it meets the requirements of due process.
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The fact that the eastern district of ny issued a stay isn't surprising and means nothing other than a lib judge issued an opinion.
The grant of a habeas stay depends on the likelihood of success that an argument will prevail in court. Sure it's only a procedural remedy, but the burden of proof is pretty high, weighing the substantive merits of the subsequent cause of action.
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The only thing I don't like about this is it doesn't go far enough. There needs to be a real ban, which this isn't. Ban them.
Good God. Someone gave you a position in the department of justice? That's terrifying. You're advocating to knock out a cornerstone belief of this country and directly violate the international treaty on human rights.
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Posted on 1/30/17 at 3:22 pm to LuckyTiger
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If Bradley wants to do something really brave he should go to Saudi Arabia and stand up for gay and women rights. See what happens.
Funny you mentioned The Kingdom
Bc they are not on the list and you know who does business there.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 3:25 pm to BleedPurpleGold
Your analysis is, to be nice, simplistic.
You shouldn't be advising anything to anyone.
You shouldn't be advising anything to anyone.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 3:26 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Funny you mentioned The Kingdom Bc they are not on the list and you know who does business there.
They've never been on the list.
And we know why.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 3:32 pm to LuckyTiger
They could have been easily added by Trump
For many reasons they were not. They are our bad guy and Trump also does business there.
For many reasons they were not. They are our bad guy and Trump also does business there.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 3:32 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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However, if you are so adamant, explain to me how it meets the requirements of due process.
They will still be vetted. That is not stopping. And vetting is not a denial of due process. Just like some people sit in jail for years waiting for trial.
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The grant of a habeas stay depends on the likelihood of success that an argument will prevail in court. Sure it's only a procedural remedy, but the burden of proof is pretty high, weighing the substantive merits of the subsequent cause of action.
And the likelihood of one being granted varies from circuit to circuit. The eastern district of ny is not the final say on us constitutional issues, and thank God for that. You act like they are and their rulings are never overturned lol.
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the international treaty on human rights.
lol
You're boring me now.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 3:34 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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They could have been easily added by Trump For many reasons they were not. They are our bad guy and Trump also does business there.
I agree. Got no love for them.
But they've never been added for many political reasons, not just because Trump builds stuff there.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 3:35 pm to LuckyTiger
At least Obama was starting to tell them to frick off 
Posted on 1/30/17 at 3:44 pm to LuckyTiger
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This post was edited on 1/30/17 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 1/30/17 at 3:45 pm to RedRifle
I wish Trump would have added Qatar as a "frick you" for stealing 2022.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 3:48 pm to Esquire
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I wish Trump would have added Qatar as a "frick you" for stealing 2022.
That would be insanely dumb
From a military standpoint
Posted on 1/30/17 at 3:55 pm to cwil177
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I think you should focus on making less shitty comments.
Yeah? Well, I'm not wrong. Granted, he has been playing out of position for a while, but he has blown way too many performances for me to accept him trying to sound more important than he ultimately is.
His comments fall in the "useless semi-celebrity opinion" file. He should focus on soccer and tell the press to step if they ask about politics.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 3:57 pm to LuckyTiger
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They will still be vetted. That is not stopping. And vetting is not a denial of due process. Just like some people sit in jail for years waiting for trial.
Yeah except that no magistrate ordered their detention. Do you know what a warrant is? Not to even mention that they were denied access to their attorneys. People who had a perfectly legal justification for entering the country were denied entry. It's an unconstitutional detainment.
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And the likelihood of one being granted varies from circuit to circuit. The eastern district of ny is not the final say on us constitutional issues, and thank God for that. You act like they are and their rulings are never overturned lol.
As it currently stands, it's unconstitutional and the executive is in open defiance of the judicial branch. They could have lodged an emergency appeal, but they didn't. You cannot openly defy a federal judge. Do you realize that the judiciary could have sent US Marshalls to ensure the order was upheald? That would have physically pitted two federal agencies against each other. This is the textbook definition of a Constitutional crisis.
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You're boring me now.
That doesn't surprise me considering how willing you are to tread all over the 5th amendment.
None of this even addresses violations of equal protection and the establishment clause.
This post was edited on 1/30/17 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 1/30/17 at 4:00 pm to Bottom9
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"Captain" my arse. You're fricking trash Michael.
Still the best midfielder in our pool
Posted on 1/30/17 at 4:02 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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They could have been easily added by Trump
For many reasons they were not. They are our bad guy and Trump also does business there.
Obama didn't care to sanction Saudi either. It has more to do with than being our biggest ally in the Middle East than anything else.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 4:08 pm to cwil177
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Obama didn't care to sanction Saudi either. It has more to do with than being our biggest ally in the Middle East than anything else.
Aren't basically all the countries listed destabilized right now?
The dumb comments about Trump leaving off countries because he does business there thing needs to die.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 4:36 pm to MLSter
Are we about to have not my captain hashtags?
Posted on 1/30/17 at 4:41 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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BleedPurpleGold
Listen Fluffy, when you get out of bed at noon tomorrow you need to get a picket sign and go straight down to your local jail. There are guys sitting in there that fit your description of denial of due process much more than these foreign refugees.
Or maybe you're just faux outraged.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 4:45 pm to LuckyTiger
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Listen Fluff
Classic! Let me know when you want to talk about the substantive issues, bud. Im not interested in the ad hominem.
Posted on 1/30/17 at 4:51 pm to LuckyTiger
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This post was edited on 10/18/25 at 11:55 am
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