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re: United States v. Uruguay | Copa America, Group C | 8pm CT (FOX)
Posted on 7/2/24 at 8:50 am to lsupride87
Posted on 7/2/24 at 8:50 am to lsupride87
quote:
You are too emotional to have this conversation
No, you're just not making much sense. But solid deflection attempt.
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Posted on 7/2/24 at 8:51 am to mgdtiger
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How many are playing recreational soccer vs true high quality developmental soccer when compared to these smaller nations.
Wasn't the old argument that kids played too much formal soccer and never played pickup for fun?? Are you saying it's the opposite??
Posted on 7/2/24 at 8:51 am to Broski
Just answer my question from before since you make so much sense:
What percentage of the top 1,000 male athletes aged 18-28 are playing soccer in the following countries:
USA
England
Argentina
Italy
What percentage of the top 1,000 male athletes aged 18-28 are playing soccer in the following countries:
USA
England
Argentina
Italy
Posted on 7/2/24 at 8:55 am to lsupride87
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What percentage of the top 1,000 male athletes aged 18-28 are playing soccer in the following countries:
USA
England
Argentina
Italy
That's a loaded question considering the population sizes are wildly different between us and those three.
This is a dumb argument and, like etm said earlier, not worth the discussion.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 8:55 am to Bigdawgb
When people are using the number 3 million kids are playing soccer. Yes that is my argument. We have tons of kids playing 5 year old ymca or i9 soccer. Whether for fun or rigorous development how many are playing at age 13. That is the age I see kids begin to start keying in on one sport. Football in school. Basketball on the club circuits. Etc.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 8:57 am to mgdtiger
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Whether for fun or rigorous development how many are playing at age 13
Like someone mentioned in this thread earlier, we have the most boys in the 13-17 age range playing soccer.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 8:59 am to lsupride87
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Once again I’ll do tennis. I was a top 50 American tennis u18 prospect in the entire country
Posted on 7/2/24 at 8:59 am to Broski
quote:What does population size have to do with the PERCENTAGE of your top athletes playing a certain sport?
That's a loaded question considering the population sizes are wildly different between us and those three.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 8:59 am to The Pirate King
Yes?
Posted on 7/2/24 at 9:02 am to lsupride87
quote:
What does population size have to do with the PERCENTAGE of your top athletes playing a certain sport?
Are you under the impression that England has the same amount of athletes as the US?
10% of US's athlete pool is significantly greater than 10% of England's athlete pool.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 9:02 am to lsupride87
I think I get what you’re trying to say, but your point would also mean that Messi wouldn’t be considered a top athlete. Soccer’s a different animal than other sports in general.
I completely agree with you about tennis though. I feel like some programs are charging close to a grand a month now which is absurd.
I completely agree with you about tennis though. I feel like some programs are charging close to a grand a month now which is absurd.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 9:04 am to Broski
quote:no
Are you under the impression that England has the same amount of athletes as the US?
quote:Now you are completely shifting the argument. I have never said that the pool for soccer we do have isn’t good enough to be better than we are
10% of US's athlete pool is significantly greater than 10% of England's athlete pool.
I’m simply saying it’s painfully obvious our best athletes don’t play soccer at the rate of other countries. It’s not even remotely arguable
Posted on 7/2/24 at 9:06 am to lsupride87
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’m simply saying it’s painfully obvious our best athletes don’t play soccer at the rate of other countries
But you're setting this pointless bar that our best athletes are capped off at 10% and if anyone beyond those 10% is an inferior athlete that is only playing soccer because they have no business playing football, which is just nonsense for a country of 340m.
frick, why am I still responding to this clown?
This post was edited on 7/2/24 at 9:07 am
Posted on 7/2/24 at 9:07 am to Dawgsontop34
quote:From a pure athlletic standpoint the USA produces plenty of potential Messi types.
think I get what you’re trying to say, but your point would also mean that Messi wouldn’t be considered a top athlete. Soccer’s a different animal than other sports in general.
Purely athletic standpoint. The quickness, speed, agility, etc. But those types are almost exclusively going on to be RBs or DBs to be specific. But as we all know it’s about more than just athleticism before people have an aneurism
That’s my only point here. Our best athletes simply do not pick the global sports at near the rate of others
Posted on 7/2/24 at 9:08 am to Broski
What you aren’t considering though is that top 10% USA is likely going to play American football and basketball because those are the most popular sports in the USA. England’s premiere sport is soccer so their top athletes are going to want to follow suit. It’s common sense.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 9:09 am to Broski
quote:No I’m not
But you're setting this pointless bar that our best athletes are capped off at 10% and if anyone beyond those 10% is an inferior athlete that is only playing soccer because they have no business playing football, which is just nonsense for a country of 340m.
If you want to make the argument our pool that does play soccer is still as athletic as other countries go ahead. I won’t argue at all
But you were fricking arguing with someone simply saying our best athletes don’t choose soccer like other places. Thats just a simple fact man
This post was edited on 7/2/24 at 9:10 am
Posted on 7/2/24 at 9:09 am to Broski
I could see that. But the level is not close to other countries. And the seriousness is not close.
I think the development is behind, but I don’t know if enough care that it is behind. We can send all our future stars to youth clubs in England or Germany. It limits these high numbers. We have a lot playing high school soccer who are not ever goi g to come close to any decent ability.
How do we take this number and develop it. Obviously the size of our country helps and hurts. We have the numbers, but organizing it is tough. We don’t have a lot of cohesiveness.
It seems like have identified somewhat what need to be done with youth academies, but very slow in pushing it. Which I think comes from a lack of true support in large numbers.
I am no expert, but I see tigerdroppings as an example of the issues. We have to have a soccer board bc any soccer posts on a more sports board gets down voted and you are called a soccer fig. I think it is an example of the root issue of soccer in the us. There isn’t enough support to make it elite to make it elite.
Maybe it needs to be more regionalized and concentration needs to be let’s find the studs in this one large metro area and make them great. Which we see some on this team. The number of kids from metro New York or Texas. Concentrate on where the immigrants who see soccer as the #1 sport and promote their kids. Let the kids in Spokane Washington enjoy their high school soccer and have fun and maybe someone develops. But hit certain areas extremely hard and concentrate the money there.
I think the development is behind, but I don’t know if enough care that it is behind. We can send all our future stars to youth clubs in England or Germany. It limits these high numbers. We have a lot playing high school soccer who are not ever goi g to come close to any decent ability.
How do we take this number and develop it. Obviously the size of our country helps and hurts. We have the numbers, but organizing it is tough. We don’t have a lot of cohesiveness.
It seems like have identified somewhat what need to be done with youth academies, but very slow in pushing it. Which I think comes from a lack of true support in large numbers.
I am no expert, but I see tigerdroppings as an example of the issues. We have to have a soccer board bc any soccer posts on a more sports board gets down voted and you are called a soccer fig. I think it is an example of the root issue of soccer in the us. There isn’t enough support to make it elite to make it elite.
Maybe it needs to be more regionalized and concentration needs to be let’s find the studs in this one large metro area and make them great. Which we see some on this team. The number of kids from metro New York or Texas. Concentrate on where the immigrants who see soccer as the #1 sport and promote their kids. Let the kids in Spokane Washington enjoy their high school soccer and have fun and maybe someone develops. But hit certain areas extremely hard and concentrate the money there.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 9:10 am to lsupride87
quote:
From a pure athlletic standpoint the USA produces plenty of potential Messi types.
This is the disconnect here, thinking we've wasted countless Messi's when England, Italy or any of the other countries you mentioned haven't had a Messi.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 9:12 am to mgdtiger
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I think the development is behind, but I don’t know if enough care that it is behind.
People care, and we're moving in the right direction with the domestics academies becoming stronger by the year, but it's just that we are still so far behind Europe because they've had a 100 year head start.
Our pool of premium youth coaches is severely lacking, but slowly getting stronger.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 9:13 am to Broski
quote:I said it’s fer more than just athleticism that makes Messi…..
This is the disconnect here, thinking we've wasted countless Messi's when England, Italy or any of the other countries you mentioned haven't had a Messi.
There have been millions of Americans more athletic than Tom Brady or Peyton manning yet those are at the top
But it’s a numbers game as well. If soccer became our most popular sport without changing any of our developmental or coaching structure we would instantly become better because our talent pool would instantly be better
But I do think our talent pool is already good enough for US soccer to be better than it is. But that’s a completely separate argument from what you started
This post was edited on 7/2/24 at 9:16 am
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