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re: This board is way too negative re: Berhalter
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:54 am to crazy4lsu
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:54 am to crazy4lsu
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The hesitancy around the box is so damn odd. It's like the players are looking for passes for the sake of looking for passes at times.
Exactly. So many times, just outside the box (in the middle), our players opt to make a pass to the wing instead of shooting the ball. We can't score goals if we don't shoot. When we finally do decide to shoot, they are either skying over the goal (Weah) or are just completely miss hit. I don't believe I've seen one decent shot on target from a distance more than 6-12 yards out, outside of Pulisic's shot that hit the crossbar against England.
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:05 am to Broski
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The lack of decisiveness in the attacking third is so annoying. It's what made our goal so beautiful. That shite was straight out of 2010 Spain's playbook beginning with Turner's long diagonal for the first of 12 passes.
It’s hard to separate what the players are choosing to do vs what his scheme/philosophy is causing them to do.
Him coaching them to be cautious around the box would line up with the general caution in his 2nd half strategy.
The beautiful thing is that we are in the knockout stages, so we will get to see if his system can flip a switch and score goals when they’re needed. I don’t think I can stomach shootouts with these young players.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:21 am to hendersonshands
I have a hard time faulting a U.S. soccer coach considering what he generally has to work with talent wise. Making it to the top 16 teams in the world is a pretty huge accomplishment, especially with a team this young.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:46 pm to cwil177
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Y’all would rather lose going all out attack than win playing ugly.
I look at it as a football team who played aggressively for three and a half quarters to build a lead only to suddenly shift into a clock killing offense and prevent defense with 5 minutes left. It backfires more than it should.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:21 pm to Alyosha
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Credit goes to Greggg for getting some things right with beginning game formation, roster, and navigating tournament mentality (which is all expected from any coach). But when things are going right, it baffles me at least me, his in game decisions regarding subbing and 2nd half adjustments. When Greggg professedly sets ourselves for good, why does he hamstring us by taking 3 steps forward, then 2 steps back?
I agree with this. I think most would. But we’ve gotten the results and imo that’s the most important part.
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We all want USA to do well and get behind our coach, but just when you’re ready to pat the man on the back, he decides to play Jordan Morris or Shaq Moore or parks the bus.
I doubt we see much of Moore from here on out, he just hasn’t worked. The Haji sub yesterday definitely didn’t work. But are we really still really complaining about Morris getting subbed on in the 88th minute in one game? Jeez. If that’s what we’re bitching about then things must be going pretty well.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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In something like the groups stages, where wins are extremely disproportionately valuable, high-variance is the smart way to go. Ties are effectively worthless.
Disagree. Our tie against England in 2010 won us the group by denying them points. Saying a tie is worthless is just wrong, sorry.
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Also, his tactics and scheme literally do not value scoring goals or strikers. It's crazy to watch.
1. It’s a defense-first system for sure, and thus far it’s worked. Zero goals against us in the run of play. Hard to beat a team that doesn’t allow you to score. France rode this system to the trophy in 2018.
2. Why should we value strikers when we have none that are worth a damn?
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:46 pm to cwil177
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In something like the groups stages, where wins are extremely disproportionately valuable, high-variance is the smart way to go. Ties are effectively worthless.
Disagree. Our tie against England in 2010 won us the group by denying them points. Saying a tie is worthless is just wrong, sorry.
Probably better to say ties against comparable or lesser competition in a World Cup are worthless and you should sell out for the win every time in those games.
Of course a tie is great against a team head and shoulders above you in talent.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:57 pm to cwil177
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I doubt we see much of Moore from here on out, he just hasn’t worked. The Haji sub yesterday definitely didn’t work. But are we really still really complaining about Morris getting subbed on in the 88th minute in one game? Jeez. If that’s what we’re bitching about then things must be going pretty well.
::sigh::
Again, Forest-Trees metaphor. These are just small examples of the multitude.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:58 pm to cwil177
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I doubt we see much of Moore from here on out, he just hasn’t worked.
He was awful in the England game, and that didn't stop Gregg from subbing him in again for the Iran game. I think you are giving Gregg too much credit.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:07 pm to SUB
I hope you’re right. I would like to see Scally if we have to sub out Dest again. Yedlin also looked poor.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:18 pm to cwil177
Just a reminder that defense wins championships
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:22 pm to cwil177
Yeah but Spain’s tiki taka keep away defense in 2010 bears little resemblance to let’s sub in two defenders from Nashville FC to bunker for 20 minutes against the 3rd best team in Asia.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 3:45 pm to cwil177
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Dest
He's been crucial to counter attacks and creating opportunities with runs from the back. I love his tempo, though sometimes I feel he holds the ball too long. He's overall been solid though.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 12/3/22 at 10:59 am to hendersonshands
Bump. What are your thoughts now?
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:06 am to AllDayEveryDay
My thought is that we really lacked the individual quality in finishing (Pulisic, Haji, Musah, even Dest, etc) that the Dutch had (Depay) and got punished for mental lapses by young players playing in their first WC.
I don’t really care for Gregg to continue, but he’s created a fantastic team culture and recruited like Nick Saban. He has set us up beautifully for the future and for that we owe him major props, even if this one game didn’t go the way we hoped.
I don’t really care for Gregg to continue, but he’s created a fantastic team culture and recruited like Nick Saban. He has set us up beautifully for the future and for that we owe him major props, even if this one game didn’t go the way we hoped.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:10 am to cwil177
He needs to stop overthinking the attacking game. The way he set us up in 3 out of 4 games was astute, but the attacking play suffered from being so hesitant around the box for no real gain. The Dutch dared us to beat them in the low-block and we couldn't do it. The game was there to be had.
The Dutch are a very good team with a very experienced manager. Hopefully this will be a meaningful learning experience for this team.
The Dutch are a very good team with a very experienced manager. Hopefully this will be a meaningful learning experience for this team.
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