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re: The passion of U.S. soccer fans seems fake...
Posted on 9/10/13 at 9:47 pm to joey barton
Posted on 9/10/13 at 9:47 pm to joey barton
quote:yep.
In England, public schools = Eton and shite
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Posted on 9/10/13 at 9:49 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
I don't know where you are getting your info but the term football existed since the 14th century. The term soccer was developed in the late 1880s when Association Football was codified. The term was used interchangeably for most of its use in England, until the 1970s. The term 'football' was more widespread, as evidenced by its transference to other languages.
So soccer was never the original name of the sport, as you say. If it had been, then the term would have spread to other languages.
So soccer was never the original name of the sport, as you say. If it had been, then the term would have spread to other languages.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 9:49 pm to svb
There is no other sport on this planet that Americans like to hate and nit pick at. First it's gay and not manly enough now soccer fans are cheering the wrong way. Soccer isn't like every other sport, there aren't 100s of commercials and other various breaks.
If you don't like soccer, don't watch it. If you don't like that the popular style of cheering is too euro for you then mute the tv when you watch.
If you don't like soccer, don't watch it. If you don't like that the popular style of cheering is too euro for you then mute the tv when you watch.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 9:53 pm to crazy4lsu
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I don't know where you are getting your info but the term football existed since the 14th century. The term soccer was developed in the late 1880s when Association Football was codified. The term was used interchangeably for most of its use in England, until the 1970s. The term 'football' was more widespread, as evidenced by its transference to other languages.
So soccer was never the original name of the sport, as you say. If it had been, then the term would have spread to other languages.
There were lots of footballs. Association football or soccer was a distinct form of football and it competed with Rugby football. Rugby wasn't as popular so the masses referred to association football or soccer as simply football and rugby as rugby.
If the popularity had been reversed rugby would be football and football would still be soccer.
And the term did spread to other countries that already had another "football" that took precedence.
It's a minor point and has no bearing on the original post.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 9:56 pm to PrimeTime Money
Not genuine or false, no way... Over done and trying too hard, I could believe that
Posted on 9/10/13 at 9:59 pm to rdw1690
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There is no other sport on this planet that Americans like to hate and nit pick at. First it's gay and not manly enough now soccer fans are cheering the wrong way. Soccer isn't like every other sport, there aren't 100s of commercials and other various breaks.
If you don't like soccer, don't watch it. If you don't like that the popular style of cheering is too euro for you then mute the tv when you watch.
You forgot that it's too slow and always ends in a 0-0 draw. Let's not use logic and facts to state that it has the most actual play of any sport and there are an average of around 3 goals per match. Why do they not like it? Because they don't understand the rules and the US doesn't just cream everyone in it. The US will care about anything that doesn't require cheering for someone that may not win, especially on a national level. Not to mention, most people are too fat too play the sport.
They're going to cringe once it really takes hold now that major players are showing Premier League matches and the USMNT is basically always on ESPN. I will relish every moment of their rage.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 10:04 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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If the popularity had been reversed rugby would be football and football would still be soccer.
I disagree. Rugby was called Rugby from the 1830s onward, and probably would have kept that title regardless of its popularity. Association Football was codified in 1863 and Rugby in 1871, though both were called football at various points. The term soccer didn't develop until the late 1880s, and its first recorded use in writing was in 1895, since it was a term derived from Oxford slang. By that time, the word football became synonymous with the sport in the continent, as evidenced by some of the older clubs founded in the 1860s in Europe. I just find it hard to believe your claim that soccer was the original name of the sport and that there was a class distinction in its usage, given the etymology of the word soccer. Historically, football has always been the game of the lower classes, while cricket and Rugby were of the upper classes.
ETA: the first four American leagues used football, and the first use of soccer in America was 1907. The US federation didn't add soccer to its name until 1945.
This post was edited on 9/10/13 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 9/10/13 at 10:17 pm to PrimeTime Money
frick off you should have been in columbus tonight.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 10:18 pm to Dizz
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frick off you should have been in columbus tonight.
Those fans that stayed around for 30 minutes to see the result of the Panama-Honduras game were FAKES. Goddamn fake fans who are just trying to be cool
Posted on 9/10/13 at 10:19 pm to SM6
Who cares? Professional sports fans in Amerca blow fricking arse. They don't stand, they do jack shite during 75% of the game, they embrace the moronic extreme commercialism of traditional sports that should value their history.
I'm so happy that soccer fans in the states are involved. I'm glad they have adopted traditions of European "supporters." As far as everyone else, enjoy your lame arse blasting of rock music between plays and the oh so original "here we go (insert team name), here we go, *clap clap*."
I'm so happy that soccer fans in the states are involved. I'm glad they have adopted traditions of European "supporters." As far as everyone else, enjoy your lame arse blasting of rock music between plays and the oh so original "here we go (insert team name), here we go, *clap clap*."
This post was edited on 9/10/13 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 9/10/13 at 10:19 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Don´t forget the über worn out English joke about football and rugby.
Historically, football has always been the game of the lower classes, while cricket and Rugby were of the upper classes.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 10:23 pm to PrimeTime Money
This thread was doomed once it got moved from the somewhat rational MSB to the "all or nothing" soccer mob board.
ETA: OP point stands and is valid. You can like soccer and like it in the US...and still think the US mimicry and bullshite copycat Euro team names in the MLS and "kits" and "supporters" foreign jargon all make it seem forced and fake and too cute...
The MLS is like an amusement park in the US - EPCOT Center - trying to show a snapshot of soccer around the world - and coming off as full of actors.
The world doesn't need to root and cheer for soccer the same way and using the same lingo.
ETA: OP point stands and is valid. You can like soccer and like it in the US...and still think the US mimicry and bullshite copycat Euro team names in the MLS and "kits" and "supporters" foreign jargon all make it seem forced and fake and too cute...
The MLS is like an amusement park in the US - EPCOT Center - trying to show a snapshot of soccer around the world - and coming off as full of actors.
The world doesn't need to root and cheer for soccer the same way and using the same lingo.
This post was edited on 9/10/13 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 9/10/13 at 10:25 pm to Zamoro10
quote:agreed, it would take a lot out of the spectacle.
The world doesn't need to root and cheer for soccer the same way and using the same lingo.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 10:26 pm to Zamoro10
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The world doesn't need to root and cheer for soccer the same way and using the same lingo.
Sure, the world doesn't need to do it the same way.
But it does.
This post was edited on 9/10/13 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 9/10/13 at 10:29 pm to Zamoro10
Meh, there are no stoppages in time, so you can't really cheer for it like any other American sport.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 10:30 pm to Zamoro10
Think what you want, but an MLS game is light years more enjoyable than the NFL and NBA commercialized snooze fests.
It is possible for the world to do something better than America does it. It'll be ok to admit that, I promise.
It is possible for the world to do something better than America does it. It'll be ok to admit that, I promise.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 10:31 pm to Zamoro10
quote:
This thread was doomed once it got moved from the somewhat rational MSB to the "all or nothing" soccer mob board.
Then this rational thought...
quote:
The MLS is like an amusement park in the US - EPCOT Center - trying to show a snapshot of soccer around the world - and coming off as full of actors.
You're a moron.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 10:33 pm to BleedPurpleGold
quote:I wholeheartedly believe this, and I´ve never been to one.
Think what you want, but an MLS game is light years more enjoyable than the NFL and NBA commercialized snooze fests.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 10:33 pm to Zamoro10
There are certainly criticisms you can make about the way the sport has developed in the United States. The European style names are ridiculous, except for Sporting KC, provided they add the promised rugby and lacrosse club. But the sport has grown in spite of that, partly by imitating Europe. Still some Americanisms are dumb, like the dual conference system, or the notion of playoffs when a 30 game regular season is just as good in determining a champion.
I think with each passing year we are getting closer to an idea of what soccer can be in America, but you can't expect that something distinctly American can develop in twenty years, especially when other Americansisms like the clock and the shoot out system failed so badly in the early years of the MLS. It is a process, one that has been awkward, but still one of growth.
I think with each passing year we are getting closer to an idea of what soccer can be in America, but you can't expect that something distinctly American can develop in twenty years, especially when other Americansisms like the clock and the shoot out system failed so badly in the early years of the MLS. It is a process, one that has been awkward, but still one of growth.
Posted on 9/10/13 at 10:36 pm to crazy4lsu
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There are certainly criticisms you can make about the way the sport has developed in the United States. The European style names are ridiculous, except for Sporting KC, provided they add the promised rugby and lacrosse club.
Yep. I like most of the names in MLS, I think Union is a good name that is also pretty "American".
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Still some Americanisms are dumb, like the dual conference system, or the notion of playoffs when a 30 game regular season is just as good in determining a champion.
As the league continues to increase the number of teams, conferences will need to stay. So too will the playoffs, because when MLS reaches more than 20 teams it'll be tough to have everyone play each other home-and-home each year.
This post was edited on 9/10/13 at 10:38 pm
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