re: Super League may NOT actually be happening!

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So punishing the players that almost all are certainly against the entire idea.

Sounds like an awful idea.

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Blowback is blowback. If they were so naïve and misread the sporting culture of the English to this degree, lots of people, fans, players, staff, are going to suffer from the owner's myopia.

Parliament was clear. These owners are only "temporary custodians." They should act with that in mind, rather than pure greed and self-interest.

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Cool. They’ll have to go into the Super League with only English players when foreign player work permits are axed

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And a windfall tax equivalent of 99.99% of ESL tv revenues

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So punishing the players that almost all are certainly against the entire idea.

Sounds like an awful idea.

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If the owners could be punished, they would have not signed on to this.

Some horrible idea will end up being the "solution"

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I'm of the don't overhaul what isn't broken mindset

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I think some things are broken, but the ESL won't solve it unless the teams are removed from their domestic leagues.

-La Liga has only had 5 non-RM/Barca Champs since the mid 80s (1 since 2005).
-Serie A has been won by Juve for 9 years straight (although they won't win this season).
-Bayern Munich is about to win the Bundesliga for the 9th time in a row.
-PSG can win Ligue 1 for the 8th time in 9 years.
-Salzburg is about to win the Austrian Bundesliga for the 8th time in a row.
-Switzerland isn't looking too great with Young Boys about to win their 5th in a row,. Basel preceeded them by winning 8 in a row.
-Dinamo Zagreb has won Croatia 14 of the previous 15 years.
-Olympiacos has won all but 4 since 1997 in Greece.

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“this isn’t what children dream about”

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Hard to dream about something that didn't exist.

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If the owners could be punished, they would have not signed on to this.

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They can be punished. Again, within 24 hours, you had statements from the PM, Parliament, the Royal Family, the sanctioning bodies, and the EU. They are rich, but so what? They aren't perfect, nor are they immune from the consequences of their own decisions.

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Some horrible idea will end up being the "solution"

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Maybe, but a 50+1 solution will be good for the sport overall.

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Literally everything I’ve seen is the most extreme histrionics imaginable with zero fact based arguments.

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Having certain teams not get relegated is causing the reaction. That is the heart of the issue. Relegation and promotion is the key part of the pyramid system of European soccer.

It is like having the Cowboys make the playoffs every year and extra salary cap no matter their record because they are the biggest team in the NFL. NFL fans would lose their minds.

Domestic league being Top heavy, like La Liga, have more to do with uneven revenue distribution between teams. None of which is better off with the creation of the SL.

So there will be 5 positions available, how will these positions be decided? There is no detail around this at all, there is not only 5 more countries in Europe.

The European Champions Club Cup started in 1955, and ever since then top division winners have had a chance to play each other to try and be European Champions. This format has only ever expanded in order to become more inclusive, bring in more markets and give greater opportunity.

What is the point of (at best) splitting this in two? Where you have a ESL champion and a CL champion. Who is the rightful European Champion? The one who faces other league winners or the one where 15 of 20 could lose every domestic game they play and still be included in this super league?

The revenue this will take away from other clubs, and their FAs from countries not included in the ESL will not save football nor will it help grow the game like people claim. How will lessening broadcasting rights for the CL and the Europa League help clubs and countries outside of the ESL grow their grass roots? In 2019 Ajax doubled their income due to their CL run and plied more money into their academy. Growing the game and one of the best academies in the world. If the CL loses revenue and Ajax do their academy suffers.


Let’s also not act like this is a true best of the best. Not one of the semi finalists from last years Semi Final is in.
The latest UEFA Co-efficient:
Inter Milan - 26th
AC Milan - 53rd, tied with Rangers and Lokomotiv Moscow
You are also missing 1st, 7th, 10th, 13th etc.
Arsenal while ranked in the top 16 are going to struggle to finish in the top half of Premier League.


The only people this will save is the broke Spanish clubs, and I’ve yet to see how it benefits anybody else or the game in anyway. Perez’s argument that it means those 15 clubs can pay higher transfer fees is laughable.

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Honestly if those top teams wanted to form a league of their own, which would itself have Champions League qualification requirements, I wouldn't be totally opposed.

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Which makes no sense for literally any of the clubs. They decrease their chances of CL by joining the league.

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But then those clubs would either have to waive their CL spot in their domestic league, or cease to exist in their domestic league all together. But i'm not sure the domestic leagues would want to lose the revenue those teams generate.

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There is no revenue justification for clubs associated with specific cities, neighborhoods, etc, to leave domestic leagues. It makes no sense, because, again, these are sporting clubs first. The owners think that the fiduciary responsibility goes to them first, which Parliament made clear isn't how it works. They exist not as businesses, but as football clubs. It is utterly insane all this has been perverted to justify things in the name of revenue. Cut costs then, you fricking dumbasses. Or, better yet, if you can't compete with Man City and Chelsea, whose owners provide their own funds to buy players, don't buy football teams, as they are a terrible investment. To the credit of Roman and MBZ, they understand the purpose of these clubs. That their spending might have broken the system isn't there fault, and the PL has mechanisms in place to kick out clubs as they see fit, which should be a natural check on any excess. But American owners see themselves like Abrahimovich and MBZ despite the fact they want a 'self-sustaining model,' while taking clubs with 100 year histories and perverting them into businesses who happen to play football. This way, they don't have to spend their own money, like MBZ and Roman, and can still justify the insane ticket prices, etc.

If you want to stamp out the excess, understand what product is being sold. Some owners understand. Other owners understand, but don't like it. That dislike isn't a justification to destroy institutions that have been in these areas longer than these limp dicks have been alive.