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Russian FA official "Racially abused players need to keep control"

Posted on 3/9/15 at 6:08 am
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126858 posts
Posted on 3/9/15 at 6:08 am
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A Russian football association official says it is right to punish players who react to racial abuse from fans.
Artur Grigoryants, head of the Russian FA's disciplinary committee, referred to the players in question as "so-called, in inverted commas, victims".
Dynamo Moscow's Christopher Samba was banned for two games in September 2014 for gesturing to Torpedo Moscow fans who taunted him with monkey chants.
Grigoryants said Samba's "unpleasant gesture" was "a punishable offence".


How in the world are these people hosting a world cup.
This post was edited on 3/9/15 at 6:09 am
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
30134 posts
Posted on 3/9/15 at 6:50 am to
Because fifa.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126858 posts
Posted on 3/9/15 at 6:55 am to
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2005
19014 posts
Posted on 3/9/15 at 11:24 pm to
I mean, its not like he jumped into the stands to attack them (although I'd be fine with this going unpunished also). A gesture? Really?

Russia gonna Russia.
Posted by mynamebowl
Houston
Member since Jun 2012
1712 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 12:49 am to
This is going to sound bad, but here goes. Players get abused constantly by fans. Pretty much every professional player, at some point, has endured some sort of verbal abuse aimed at him by a fan or groups of fans. Unless a player feels like could he actually be in some sort of physical danger, whether the abuse is racially charged or not, he should ignore it and do his job. Walking off the pitch, or "gesturing" at fans, or causing a stoppage in the game should not be allowed. But, as I said, this is assuming the player feels the abuse is escalating to a point where he could be in actual danger.
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
17905 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 1:43 am to
True, players are going to get abuse from fans, but as long as FIFA continues to be spineless in punishing racism, I have no problem with players responding to fans or walking off.

FIFA pushes their anti-racism campaign, but other than negligible fines or closed-door matches, they've yet to really hammer anybody.

If FIFA truly practiced what they preach, players wouldn't need to cause a match stoppage because they'd have reason to trust FIFA would punish offenders appropriately.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126858 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 3:20 am to
quote:

This is going to sound bad, but here goes. Players get abused constantly by fans. Pretty much every professional player, at some point, has endured some sort of verbal abuse aimed at him by a fan or groups of fans. Unless a player feels like could he actually be in some sort of physical danger, whether the abuse is racially charged or not, he should ignore it and do his job. Walking off the pitch, or "gesturing" at fans, or causing a stoppage in the game should not be allowed. But, as I said, this is assuming the player feels the abuse is escalating to a point where he could be in actual danger.



Posted by RandySavage
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 6:48 am to
I'm not defending FIFA but what exactly would you have them do?

Closed door matches, while rarely handed out, is a pretty stiff penalty and 90% of the people affected by it didn't do anything wrong in the first place.

The Chelsea guys that got caught got banned from matches and even talk of criminal action being brought against them last I heard.

You make it seem like such a simple solution but it's pretty hard to punish an anonymous racist chanter in the stands.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126858 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:18 am to
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Closed door matches, while rarely handed out, is a pretty stiff penalty and 90% of the people affected by it didn't do anything wrong in the first place.



thats just false in the places these closed door matches happen its way more than 10% of the crowd involved in this.

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The Chelsea guys that got caught got banned from matches and even talk of criminal action being brought against them last I heard.

You make it seem like such a simple solution but it's pretty hard to punish an anonymous racist chanter in the stands.




You are using an apples to oranges comparison

its much easier to punish idiots in England in the game b/c you get ejected and banned right away and if they do it outside the ground they are found out pretty easy.

Places like Russia it is the entire Ultra sections doing this and they are the life blood of the club. While regular supporter dont speak up against them. These Ultra groups have fascist, neo nazi and all kind of ties. That and their clubs don't seem to care.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
88509 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 8:01 am to
Wow
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
20323 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 8:52 am to
What would Jackie robinson do?
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
17905 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 11:03 am to
Blatter himself said massive point deductions or relegation should be considered. Now I don't trust him to ever follow through with such penalties, but he should.

Like SCH said, the clubs with the biggest problems have far more than 10% contributing to this behavior. The Ultras in the Boulogne and Auteuil stands at PSG controlled the stadium for nearly 2 decades with little consequence, which drove away the common fan.

PSG finally grew some balls and banned all these groups from the ground, but unfortunately, there are still willfully ignorant clubs out there. FIFA should cripple a team in the league table if the club won't clean up its own mess. That would turn more heads than a fine and a couple of closed-door matches.
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2005
19014 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 9:28 pm to
quote:

Places like Russia it is the entire Ultra sections doing this and they are the life blood of the club. While regular supporter dont speak up against them.


This is exactly why the innocents should be punished. This crap won't stop happening until the fans who arent involved speak up.
Posted by WaltTeevens
Santa Barbara, CA
Member since Dec 2013
12046 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:34 am to
I just like that the CSKA Moscow manager is named "Slutsky" I hope he doesn't have any daughters living in the US or Britain
Posted by RandySavage
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Member since May 2012
35829 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 6:53 am to
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This is exactly why the innocents should be punished. This crap won't stop happening until the fans who arent involved speak up.


What are they supposed to "speak up" about? It's not like it's a secret. Some Average Joe dad with a family at home isn't going to confront a group of ultras and ended up getting maimed over it and he shouldn't be expected to or punished for not doing so.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126858 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 7:47 am to
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What are they supposed to "speak up" about? It's not like it's a secret. Some Average Joe dad with a family at home isn't going to confront a group of ultras and ended up getting maimed over it and he shouldn't be expected to or punished for not doing so.



If the block where families sit turn their backs or whistle when when the Ultras start acting racist that alone can send a message.

The average fan is totally separated from the Ultras so there is no way they will get in a confrontation during the match.
Posted by RandySavage
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Member since May 2012
35829 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:06 am to
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If the block where families sit turn their backs or whistle when when the Ultras start acting racist that alone can send a message


It's possible but I doubt it. These animals get off on their vileness it will probably just encourage them to be even worse out of spite.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126858 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:19 am to
The ultras would literally have to scale fences and fight off cops to get to the regular fans
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126858 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 7:11 am to
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Zenit St Petersburg manager Andre Villas-Boas has branded Torpedo Moscow fans a 'disgrace' after striker Hulk was allegedly subjected to racist taunts on Sunday.

Sections of the Torpedo support allegedly directed monkey noises towards the Brazilian, who opened the scoring for the league leaders at the Stadion Saturn in the 35th minute.

It is the latest racism incident to blight Russian football and Villas-Boas was furious.


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He told his club's official website: 'It's a disgrace to football, it's a disgrace to the public. That's something that shouldn't happen.'


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Hulk registered his dismay afterwards, but took the jeers in his stride, responding by raising a hand to his ear before blowing the Torpedo fans a kiss.


looks like Hulk is about to get a ban or fine
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