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re: Review and technology have jumped the shark

Posted on 7/2/26 at 11:40 pm to
Posted by RemouladeSawce
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Posted on 7/2/26 at 11:40 pm to
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I think that’s why you’re seeing the Wenger rule be tried out. Refs tended to give the tie to the offensive player if the general torso’s were inline. Now that it’s being judged by AI to within an inch people are realizing it’s kind of a dumb rule.
That same technology is still required to correctly apply the Wenger rule and it's the same exact line that's getting measured

1 inch rulings don’t go away at all. You're just switching measuring whether the attacker was a toe offside to whether the defender's toe kept the attacker onside

Not really worth the negatives that will come with low blocks
This post was edited on 7/3/26 at 12:55 am
Posted by 632627
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Posted on 7/3/26 at 10:10 am to
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That same technology is still required to correctly apply the Wenger rule and it's the same exact line that's getting measured 1 inch rulings don’t go away at all. You're just switching measuring whether the attacker was a toe offside to whether the defender's toe kept the attacker onside


This is true, but seeing so many goals disallowed because an inch of someone’s kneecap was offside seems to go against the spirit of the rule.

If they relax the offside rule and a goal gets disallowed by var, I wouldn’t mind as much.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/3/26 at 10:47 am to
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Technically true but
everything after the but is irrelevant. He was offside, clearly. Sucks that it ruined am equaliser, but it's no different than a hold on a gamewinning TD. Rules are rules. And let's not forget Ronaldo had a goal taken off the board in the exact same fashion.
Posted by cwil177
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Posted on 7/3/26 at 10:57 am to
It wasn’t the same because Ronaldo was clearly offside. The offside for the Croatian player was entirely contingent on whether or not the guy in the box actually touched the ball. Said touch, if it happened at all, is completely imperceptible to the human eye and did not change the trajectory of the ball. I’m all for VAR being used for clear and obvious errors, as it was originally intended, but this kind of micromanagement and FIFA’s hand waiving of fans to blindly trust sensor technology is not what I want to see in the game.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/3/26 at 11:01 am to
It wasn't clear enough for anyone on the field to call it. You could see the rotation of the ball change when the Croatian touched it. It was the right call. If you're taking away Ronaldo's goal that no one on the field called, you take this one away too. No one was robbed. And while we're at it, 7 minutes beyond the hydration break for stoppage time was ludicrous. That goal should never have had time to happen anyway. The right team won, and I'm no Portugal fan.
This post was edited on 7/3/26 at 11:03 am
Posted by cwil177
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Posted on 7/3/26 at 11:57 am to
We can agree to disagree

Half of Ronaldo’s body being offside vs a player being made offside by an actual hair are not the same to me lol
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/3/26 at 12:47 pm to
He must have been close if no one on the field saw it though. The rules are the rules. We'd be losing our fricking minds if the USA was Portugal and they didn't make the correct call, and we'd be completely justified. The tech is there to get the call right, get the call right. The situation of the game should have no bearing on getting the call right.
Posted by Porcine Human
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Posted on 7/3/26 at 1:00 pm to
The problem at least with reviewing fouls is the constant replaying of it in slow motion. Almost every challenge looks worse in slow motion.
Posted by RemouladeSawce
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Posted on 7/3/26 at 4:02 pm to
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This is true, but seeing so many goals disallowed because an inch of someone’s kneecap was offside seems to go against the spirit of the rule.
You’ll see fewer goals with the Wenger rule because of the low blocks that will result from not being able to run a trap

That’s way more out of line with the spirit of the rule
Posted by sgallo3
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Posted on 7/3/26 at 5:21 pm to
Posted by sgallo3
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Posted on 7/3/26 at 5:25 pm to
Posted by wm72
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Posted on 7/3/26 at 6:11 pm to
That's a lot of speculation. If they don't have the ability to sync video precisely then every single offside VAR picture is also inexact.

Just looking at the opposite side angle, it sure seems like the ball grazes off his head to me:

Opposite aide angle of disallowed goal
Posted by sgallo3
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Posted on 7/3/26 at 6:23 pm to
They showed the graph and there was only one spike. You can clearly see it hit that guys arm. If it hit the hair and the arm there would be 2 spikes
Posted by sgallo3
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Posted on 7/3/26 at 6:32 pm to
That's a flop
Posted by wm72
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Posted on 7/3/26 at 6:33 pm to
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They showed the graph and there was only one spike. You can clearly see it hit that guys arm. If it hit the hair and the arm there would be 2 spikes


I assume the spike in the graph is only for the moment that's synced with the ball passing the Croatian players' head.

If they can't sync that well all of the VAR offside calls are arbitrary.

Look at that video form the other angle. It sure seems to me like the ball changes trajectory when it grazes the Croatian guy's head. No?
Posted by sgallo3
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Posted on 7/3/26 at 6:42 pm to
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Look at that video form the other angle. It sure seems to me like the ball changes trajectory when it grazes the Croatian guy's head. No?

Not to me. It does noticeably change trajectory from the alternate angle when it hits the dudes arm.
This post was edited on 7/3/26 at 6:42 pm
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 7/4/26 at 12:26 pm to
The simple fix to both is 1. Reword the offside rule to make it a player is fully past the second to last defender. That stops the lean and all that picky shite.

The other is simple- if var is used incorrectly as it was for the us red, the red is overturned and the ref fired
Posted by Floyd Dawg
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Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 7/4/26 at 12:47 pm to
People bitched for so long to have VAR implemented to overturn obvious missed calls and now bitch when missed calls are overturned. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/4/26 at 12:54 pm to
You said it yourself, they wanted “obvious” missed calls overturned. Think the Alex Freeman goal against Australia. I think the issue is they’ve gone way beyond that by implementing the chip in the ball, and even more so by including subjective red cards and penalties in the ambit of VAR. Balogun red, Portugal penalty, Croatia offside, none of those are obvious calls.

The Croatian offside issue isn’t nearly as controversial if VAR doesn’t also award Portugal the softest penalty we’ve seen all tournament. VAR shouldn’t be making calls where you have half the viewership (including numerous ex-refs) saying it was a wrong call after review. If VAR is intervening is needs to be clear and obvious, where every person essentially agrees “oh yeah the original ref clearly just missed this one.”
This post was edited on 7/4/26 at 12:57 pm
Posted by sgallo3
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Posted on 7/5/26 at 1:39 pm to
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If VAR is intervening is needs to be clear and obvious, where every person essentially agrees “oh yeah the original ref clearly just missed this one.”

exactly
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