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re: Review and technology have jumped the shark
Posted on 7/2/26 at 11:40 pm to tigerfan88
Posted on 7/2/26 at 11:40 pm to tigerfan88
quote:That same technology is still required to correctly apply the Wenger rule and it's the same exact line that's getting measured
I think that’s why you’re seeing the Wenger rule be tried out. Refs tended to give the tie to the offensive player if the general torso’s were inline. Now that it’s being judged by AI to within an inch people are realizing it’s kind of a dumb rule.
1 inch rulings don’t go away at all. You're just switching measuring whether the attacker was a toe offside to whether the defender's toe kept the attacker onside
Not really worth the negatives that will come with low blocks
This post was edited on 7/3/26 at 12:55 am
Posted on 7/3/26 at 10:10 am to RemouladeSawce
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That same technology is still required to correctly apply the Wenger rule and it's the same exact line that's getting measured 1 inch rulings don’t go away at all. You're just switching measuring whether the attacker was a toe offside to whether the defender's toe kept the attacker onside
This is true, but seeing so many goals disallowed because an inch of someone’s kneecap was offside seems to go against the spirit of the rule.
If they relax the offside rule and a goal gets disallowed by var, I wouldn’t mind as much.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 10:47 am to theballguy
quote:everything after the but is irrelevant. He was offside, clearly. Sucks that it ruined am equaliser, but it's no different than a hold on a gamewinning TD. Rules are rules. And let's not forget Ronaldo had a goal taken off the board in the exact same fashion.
Technically true but
Posted on 7/3/26 at 10:57 am to LNCHBOX
It wasn’t the same because Ronaldo was clearly offside. The offside for the Croatian player was entirely contingent on whether or not the guy in the box actually touched the ball. Said touch, if it happened at all, is completely imperceptible to the human eye and did not change the trajectory of the ball. I’m all for VAR being used for clear and obvious errors, as it was originally intended, but this kind of micromanagement and FIFA’s hand waiving of fans to blindly trust sensor technology is not what I want to see in the game.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 11:01 am to cwil177
It wasn't clear enough for anyone on the field to call it. You could see the rotation of the ball change when the Croatian touched it. It was the right call. If you're taking away Ronaldo's goal that no one on the field called, you take this one away too. No one was robbed. And while we're at it, 7 minutes beyond the hydration break for stoppage time was ludicrous. That goal should never have had time to happen anyway. The right team won, and I'm no Portugal fan.
This post was edited on 7/3/26 at 11:03 am
Posted on 7/3/26 at 11:57 am to LNCHBOX
We can agree to disagree
Half of Ronaldo’s body being offside vs a player being made offside by an actual hair are not the same to me lol
Half of Ronaldo’s body being offside vs a player being made offside by an actual hair are not the same to me lol
Posted on 7/3/26 at 12:47 pm to cwil177
He must have been close if no one on the field saw it though. The rules are the rules. We'd be losing our fricking minds if the USA was Portugal and they didn't make the correct call, and we'd be completely justified. The tech is there to get the call right, get the call right. The situation of the game should have no bearing on getting the call right.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 1:00 pm to TomRollTideRitter
The problem at least with reviewing fouls is the constant replaying of it in slow motion. Almost every challenge looks worse in slow motion.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 4:02 pm to 632627
quote:You’ll see fewer goals with the Wenger rule because of the low blocks that will result from not being able to run a trap
This is true, but seeing so many goals disallowed because an inch of someone’s kneecap was offside seems to go against the spirit of the rule.
That’s way more out of line with the spirit of the rule
Posted on 7/3/26 at 5:21 pm to RemouladeSawce
Posted on 7/3/26 at 5:25 pm to sgallo3
Posted on 7/3/26 at 6:11 pm to sgallo3
That's a lot of speculation. If they don't have the ability to sync video precisely then every single offside VAR picture is also inexact.
Just looking at the opposite side angle, it sure seems like the ball grazes off his head to me:
Opposite aide angle of disallowed goal
Just looking at the opposite side angle, it sure seems like the ball grazes off his head to me:
Opposite aide angle of disallowed goal
Posted on 7/3/26 at 6:23 pm to wm72
They showed the graph and there was only one spike. You can clearly see it hit that guys arm. If it hit the hair and the arm there would be 2 spikes
Posted on 7/3/26 at 6:33 pm to sgallo3
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They showed the graph and there was only one spike. You can clearly see it hit that guys arm. If it hit the hair and the arm there would be 2 spikes
I assume the spike in the graph is only for the moment that's synced with the ball passing the Croatian players' head.
If they can't sync that well all of the VAR offside calls are arbitrary.
Look at that video form the other angle. It sure seems to me like the ball changes trajectory when it grazes the Croatian guy's head. No?
Posted on 7/3/26 at 6:42 pm to wm72
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Look at that video form the other angle. It sure seems to me like the ball changes trajectory when it grazes the Croatian guy's head. No?
Not to me. It does noticeably change trajectory from the alternate angle when it hits the dudes arm.
This post was edited on 7/3/26 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 7/4/26 at 12:26 pm to dgnx6
The simple fix to both is 1. Reword the offside rule to make it a player is fully past the second to last defender. That stops the lean and all that picky shite.
The other is simple- if var is used incorrectly as it was for the us red, the red is overturned and the ref fired
The other is simple- if var is used incorrectly as it was for the us red, the red is overturned and the ref fired
Posted on 7/4/26 at 12:47 pm to TomRollTideRitter
People bitched for so long to have VAR implemented to overturn obvious missed calls and now bitch when missed calls are overturned. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Posted on 7/4/26 at 12:54 pm to Floyd Dawg
You said it yourself, they wanted “obvious” missed calls overturned. Think the Alex Freeman goal against Australia. I think the issue is they’ve gone way beyond that by implementing the chip in the ball, and even more so by including subjective red cards and penalties in the ambit of VAR. Balogun red, Portugal penalty, Croatia offside, none of those are obvious calls.
The Croatian offside issue isn’t nearly as controversial if VAR doesn’t also award Portugal the softest penalty we’ve seen all tournament. VAR shouldn’t be making calls where you have half the viewership (including numerous ex-refs) saying it was a wrong call after review. If VAR is intervening is needs to be clear and obvious, where every person essentially agrees “oh yeah the original ref clearly just missed this one.”
The Croatian offside issue isn’t nearly as controversial if VAR doesn’t also award Portugal the softest penalty we’ve seen all tournament. VAR shouldn’t be making calls where you have half the viewership (including numerous ex-refs) saying it was a wrong call after review. If VAR is intervening is needs to be clear and obvious, where every person essentially agrees “oh yeah the original ref clearly just missed this one.”
This post was edited on 7/4/26 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 7/5/26 at 1:39 pm to tigerfan88
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If VAR is intervening is needs to be clear and obvious, where every person essentially agrees “oh yeah the original ref clearly just missed this one.”
exactly
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