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re: PK abuse has ruined soccer...i propose a fix

Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:20 pm to
Posted by NOTORlOUSD
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2010
5051 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:20 pm to
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The only way to fix it is to start retroactively banning players.

This. Have a committee review the tape, suspend Fred for three games, and rescind the yellow card (Lovren?).
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125398 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:21 pm to
ughhh

Posted by Pinetar
local watering hole
Member since Feb 2005
365 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:23 pm to
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Have a committee


that should work just fine. Let's see... a committee to review game decisions in a FIFA tournament. So... a committee selected by and comprised of FIFA representatives/members. Yep. I see it. That would solve everything.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
70855 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:25 pm to
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No, I meant to say, there wouldn´t be any dropoff in play with Fred banned.



It has nothing to do with the dropoff in play. If a player is retroactively suspended for diving, then, in theory, other players won't dive for fear of suspension.
Posted by DocBugbear
Arlington, Texas
Member since Mar 2008
7956 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:27 pm to
The fundamental issue is that very few goals are scored in soccer, and a foul called in the penalty practically gives a goal away. Much of the time these end up deciding the game. That's too stiff a penalty for the crime, and it gives the ref too much power over the outcome of the game. Perhaps this could be alleviated by just moving the spot for penalty shots back so that it isn't such a gimme. Maybe penalty shots could be taken from the edge of the penalty area. With no one in front as they are now this is probably closer to a 50/50 proposition.

Edt: You could also keep the current spot and use it for flagrant fouls.
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 5:33 pm
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
50249 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:28 pm to
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It has nothing to do with the dropoff in play. If a player is retroactively suspended for diving, then, in theory, other players won't dive for fear of suspension.
It´s called ´taking one for the team´.
Posted by NOTORlOUSD
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2010
5051 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:30 pm to
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It´s called ´taking one for the team´.

If some of the worst divers like Suarez, Robben or Neymar "took one for the team" and got three game suspensions, that would be a severe price to pay.
Posted by DocBugbear
Arlington, Texas
Member since Mar 2008
7956 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:32 pm to
Rather than a ban, I think a tape review and post-game yellow cards for diving/flopping would probably be sufficient. It would seriously cut down the problem.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
50249 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:32 pm to
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If some of the worst divers like Suarez, Robben or Neymar "took one for the team" and got three game suspensions, that would be a severe price to pay.
We´re talking about Fred, and Scolari´s Brazil.......
Posted by Iona Fan Man
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:33 pm to
I could get behind "top of box"
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
70855 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:34 pm to
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We´re talking about Fred, and Scolari´s Brazil.......



I don't think you have any idea what anyone, or even yourself, is talking about.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
50249 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:40 pm to
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I don't think you have any idea what anyone, or even yourself, is talking about.
Fred is just another replaceable cog. The side would not suffer.

You people correlating this to others diving, that are of supreme worth to their sides, are missing the point.

It was a calculated risk, with little to no downside (not only because he´s ´expendable´, but because the pressure on the ref, which was already palpable in his actions to this point, was quite high). He gets the penalty, saves his side, and all are happy. He f´s up, he gets a yellow.

There is nothing complicated about this. Fred misses some matches? They´ve won their opening match, and a lot of pressure is off. He´s not primordial to his side´s success normally, so there is no suffering (as many purport with reference to other sides and players), going forward.
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 5:44 pm
Posted by Meursault
Nashville
Member since Sep 2003
25172 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:00 pm to
Jesus christ
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19493 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:05 pm to
I'm going to start threads during football season proposing that defensive lineman should wear razors on their arms, because Offensive Holding is out of control.

Also, we should raise basketball goals to 18 feet, and push the three point line out to mid-court, because all the players do is dunk and shoot threes.
Posted by TheIrishFro
Member since Aug 2010
4709 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:14 pm to
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This post was edited on 6/12/23 at 8:12 am
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8181 posts
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:54 pm to
The Pk thing isn't ridiculous. A lot of actual soccer fans and commentators think the rule is too harsh, and gives referees to big an influence on games. Remember Ghana's penalty against us in 06? These questionable fouls at the top of the box in situations that would lead to a goal 5% of the time then become pk's which have a roughly 80% conversion rate. I don't know if there's a better solution or not, but it is a problem and "well this is all we've always done it" isn't always a good reason to not change
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 12:46 am to
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There is nothing complicated about this. Fred misses some matches? They´ve won their opening match, and a lot of pressure is off. He´s not primordial to his side´s success normally, so there is no suffering (as many purport with reference to other sides and players), going forward.

this is a rule that applies to more than just this instance in this game. for example, neymar's bullshite would get him banned for his dive against real this year. robben and suarez are notorious in this regard as well
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
50249 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:04 am to
This is a rule which does not exist, hence my point all through the thread.

Were it to exist, Fred still did the right thing.

Why do you people keep postulating about what could have been (in any scenario)?
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68534 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:17 am to
They should ban players. A player can receive a red card for kicking the ball away, which has no effect on the game what so ever.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
50249 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:18 am to
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A player can receive a red card for kicking the ball away,
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