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re: OFFICIAL Liverpool FC 2014-2015 Season Long Thread
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:29 am to LSUSOBEAST1
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:29 am to LSUSOBEAST1
yeah, I just think that for his short comings in the transfer window, he did set us up with some very good young talent, that may not be ready to compete at the elite level quite yet.. As much as I'd hate to see us sack yet another manager, BR has been equally as bad this season, as he was good last year...
Now, I'm assuming we wont be forced to sell, to offset any potential losses...
Moreno, Manquillo, Can, Markovic, Origi, Ilori... plus Sterling, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sakho and Balo are relatively young too (Hendo, as well).. with some academy guys looking promising..
IMO we were ahead of schedule last year... and maybe we caught lightning in a bottle.. but it is a shame we weren't able to build on that, especially having the transfer funds we did this summer..
Now, I'm assuming we wont be forced to sell, to offset any potential losses...
Moreno, Manquillo, Can, Markovic, Origi, Ilori... plus Sterling, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sakho and Balo are relatively young too (Hendo, as well).. with some academy guys looking promising..
IMO we were ahead of schedule last year... and maybe we caught lightning in a bottle.. but it is a shame we weren't able to build on that, especially having the transfer funds we did this summer..
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:41 am to TFTC
Rodgers won't be sacked. We are somehow only 6 points off 4th, and although I don't think we will finish top 4, he will get us close enough to buy himself another couple seasons
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:48 am to LSUSOBEAST1
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Rodgers won't be sacked
I tend to think you're right... and if we show improvement, I'm all for giving him more time... That said, we need some sizeable holes addressed and his a)inability to recognize that or b)talent evaluation, leaves a lot to be desired and doesn't give me a lot of faith... As a tactical coach, I still like him.. though I think he is showing some stubbornness this season, that he didn't last season... not sure if that is arrogance or not, but thats what it feels like..
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:56 am to TFTC
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That said, we need some sizeable holes addressed and his a)inability to recognize that or b)talent evaluation, leaves a lot to be desired and doesn't give me a lot of faith.
If you go out tonight and the season stays the way its going. BR needs to call some academy guys up and give them a run. You guys have some decent ones. Its been a while since we have seen a Liverpool youth player out there (spare me Sterling he was QPR product). I think Brannagan or Rossiter should finally get a shot out there.
This is a very crucial time for Liverpool with the stadium expansion. Need to see if you have the foundation in young players to build off of.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 10:23 am to TFTC
He's also a fairly young manager, and my hope is that these are growing pains for him. I just hope he isn't so stubborn that he can't actually learn from his mistakes.
The transfer market failures must be addressed, but I'm not ready to put all that on him. Aside from the obvious positive signings, most of our transfer dealings have been atrocious, dating all the way back to Rafa's last season.
The transfer market failures must be addressed, but I'm not ready to put all that on him. Aside from the obvious positive signings, most of our transfer dealings have been atrocious, dating all the way back to Rafa's last season.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 10:24 am
Posted on 12/9/14 at 10:32 am to StraightCashHomey21
IMO BR has given a lot of academy guys looks in the past 3 years, some out of necessity due to squad size and some, now, are currently out on loan...
Sterling, Ibe Suso, Texeira, Rossiter, Flanagan, Wisdom, Sinclair, McLauglin, Brad Smith, Samed Yesil... Yes, some of those guys were brought along later in there development... Not to mention the ones that have played and IMO weren't good enough and sold (Robinson, Morgan)...
There was talk that Sheyi Ojo may make the bench tonight (don't think its happening) and everyone is raving about Pedro Chirivella.. Harry Wilson is another promising one..
If things remain the same, he needs to be giving Markovic and Can more time on the field... I'd love to see us recall Ilori, too..
Sterling, Ibe Suso, Texeira, Rossiter, Flanagan, Wisdom, Sinclair, McLauglin, Brad Smith, Samed Yesil... Yes, some of those guys were brought along later in there development... Not to mention the ones that have played and IMO weren't good enough and sold (Robinson, Morgan)...
There was talk that Sheyi Ojo may make the bench tonight (don't think its happening) and everyone is raving about Pedro Chirivella.. Harry Wilson is another promising one..
If things remain the same, he needs to be giving Markovic and Can more time on the field... I'd love to see us recall Ilori, too..
Posted on 12/9/14 at 10:41 am to StraightCashHomey21
Thoughts for today?
I think we have to start Stevie in his more advanced role. Lucas and Hendo behind him.
Lallana or Cou on one wing.
Sterling and Lambert.
Back four likely the Moreno Johnson Toure and Skyrtel foursome.
As for the current questions in the thread - I think BR gets more than this season. Most of us thought we were ahead of our timeline last year due to Suarez. I think top 4 was our hope this year, but 5th was always a possibility. We didn't count on Sturridge being down this long or some of the new guys taking so long to show any worth.
But Lallana has come on pretty strong (just doesn't start enough). Moreno is playing better defense than earlier in the year. Lambert is providing exactly what we thought he would the last few weeks - we just didn't think he would have to do it for 90 every game. Even Markovic looked better last week. The only guys we were counting one for more than they have shown are Lovren and Balo. Thats a big miss right now and has directly contributed to our poor start.
I think we have to start Stevie in his more advanced role. Lucas and Hendo behind him.
Lallana or Cou on one wing.
Sterling and Lambert.
Back four likely the Moreno Johnson Toure and Skyrtel foursome.
As for the current questions in the thread - I think BR gets more than this season. Most of us thought we were ahead of our timeline last year due to Suarez. I think top 4 was our hope this year, but 5th was always a possibility. We didn't count on Sturridge being down this long or some of the new guys taking so long to show any worth.
But Lallana has come on pretty strong (just doesn't start enough). Moreno is playing better defense than earlier in the year. Lambert is providing exactly what we thought he would the last few weeks - we just didn't think he would have to do it for 90 every game. Even Markovic looked better last week. The only guys we were counting one for more than they have shown are Lovren and Balo. Thats a big miss right now and has directly contributed to our poor start.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 10:48 am to Tigerstark
I think you're close to what we'll see.. not sure what may be different, but I'm guessing it will be a 4-2-3-1
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:21 pm to TFTC
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IMO BR has given a lot of academy guys looks in the past 3 years, some out of necessity due to squad size and some, now, are currently out on loan...
Not enough for them to impress, making him buy so many new players.
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If things remain the same, he needs to be giving Markovic and Can more time on the field... I'd love to see us recall Ilori, too..
I agree, b/c he could be stunting their growth. Esp Can, this attack/wing type mid role needs to stop. Play the guy where he needs to play this could kill his future playing for Germany.
Is BR a good manager right now, No. He is decent. His player evaluation is lacking like you said.
Tactics/Philosophy wise. He plays a style we have all seen before. High pressure high line that can counter attack on a dime. We have seen this from SAF United teams or the great Arsenal teams from 10 years ago. The difference is the emphasis on defense.
Those teams when needed were strong in the back. They had the likes of Rio, Vidic, Campbell, Stam, Cole, The Neville brothers, Keown, dixon, adams the list could go on. Also having midfielders like Keane and Vieria that could box to box it or stay and protect the back four. Even the Liverpool side who won Europe not that long ago was sound fundamentally in the back. All while this team has Lovern and Skrtel. Hes been there 3 years so this comes down to his evaluation of players. If you want to play that style you have to be solid in the back.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:55 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I think they have impressed, but they clearly aren't ready for week in and week out consideration... but most are still young... the ones that have reached their "sell by date" have moved on to other clubs..
Obviously the book is still out on BR long term and he needs to prove himself past last season...
This was something he evolved into last season to meet our personnel.. and it was great and I gave him credit for it, but he came in preaching the virtues of possession football and "death by a thousand passes"
I don't think he's adapted to get the most out of his squad this year and I think that MAY come from his arrogance due to his success last year...
IMO our best CB by a decent distance is Sakho and for whatever reason BR doesn't seem to rate him... I think every single LFC fan thought Lovren (or any CB we brought in) was bought to replace Skrtel... The fact that he was buying someone to partner him, is astonishing to me...
frick it... when do knockout rounds start? Hopefully, we win today, get Studge back healthy, a key reinforcement in Jan. and maybe we'll have a punchers chance to upset someone..
Come on you reds!!
Obviously the book is still out on BR long term and he needs to prove himself past last season...
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High pressure high line that can counter attack on a dime
This was something he evolved into last season to meet our personnel.. and it was great and I gave him credit for it, but he came in preaching the virtues of possession football and "death by a thousand passes"
I don't think he's adapted to get the most out of his squad this year and I think that MAY come from his arrogance due to his success last year...
IMO our best CB by a decent distance is Sakho and for whatever reason BR doesn't seem to rate him... I think every single LFC fan thought Lovren (or any CB we brought in) was bought to replace Skrtel... The fact that he was buying someone to partner him, is astonishing to me...
frick it... when do knockout rounds start? Hopefully, we win today, get Studge back healthy, a key reinforcement in Jan. and maybe we'll have a punchers chance to upset someone..
Come on you reds!!
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:19 pm to TFTC
Mignolet, Johnson, Skrtel, Lovren, Enrique, Lucas, Allen, Henderson, Gerrard, Sterling, Lambert.
Subs: Jones, Sakho, Moreno, Can, Lallana, Coutinho, Markovic.
One actual striker in the squad today, and he's 32 years old, and he's logged in over 270 minutes in the last 11 days.
And Kolo is out with a groin injury.
Awesome.
Subs: Jones, Sakho, Moreno, Can, Lallana, Coutinho, Markovic.
One actual striker in the squad today, and he's 32 years old, and he's logged in over 270 minutes in the last 11 days.
And Kolo is out with a groin injury.
Awesome.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:28 pm to Meursault
Is that a diamond? With Lucas at the base and Gerrard as the #10?
Thats the only way I can get with that...
Also, the fact that we spent the amount of money we did and Enrique, Johnson and Skrtel are staring in defense for the biggest match of the season (to this point) is fricking laughable...
Thats the only way I can get with that...
Also, the fact that we spent the amount of money we did and Enrique, Johnson and Skrtel are staring in defense for the biggest match of the season (to this point) is fricking laughable...
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:28 pm to Meursault
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One actual striker in the squad today, and he's 32 years old, and he's logged in over 270 minutes in the last 11 days.
I just can't even...I mean.. ugh.
Did not see Enrique coming in either. Allen is understandable, but Allen, Hendo, Lucas and Gerrard? Got to be a diamond with Sterling and Lambert up top?
At least Sakho made the bench, but I guess there's no one else that could
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:30 pm to Tigerstark
We got this...feeling good about the match 
lehgooooo
lehgooooo
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:32 pm to Tigerstark
It'll probably be more of a 4-2-3-1 with Henderson pushed out wide. I guess Brendan wanted to go with a more experienced lineup and a team that can control the midfield and will be pretty direct. I just hope Brendan doesn't take forever to make subs or don't make any at all as he has been lately.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:34 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Why are you obsessed with coming into the LFC thread and making comparisons to United?
Do you think anyone in here compares our squad to SAF's from the mid-to-late 90's to 2000's?
Brendan is a good manager. Last season he brought a mediocre team to second in the league. He overachieved and set the bar too high for himself, and this is the result
Do you think anyone in here compares our squad to SAF's from the mid-to-late 90's to 2000's?
Brendan is a good manager. Last season he brought a mediocre team to second in the league. He overachieved and set the bar too high for himself, and this is the result
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:42 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
That was nice YNWA... now I'm fired up!
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:45 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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Why are you obsessed with coming into the LFC thread and making comparisons to United?
huh. I think this might be the only time ive compared this team to a past United team
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Do you think anyone in here compares our squad to SAF's from the mid-to-late 90's to 2000's?
Notice I also said Arsenal. I was using as something to show success with a style of play.
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Brendan is a good manager. Last season he brought a mediocre team to second in the league. He overachieved and set the bar too high for himself, and this is the result
His winning 44% isn't all that great and he was basically fired at Reading. Hes got alot of growing to do.
I know your on edge tonight but geez bro
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:55 pm to StraightCashHomey21
They aren't parking the bus and playing for a draw... thats good!
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:10 pm to TFTC
frick
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