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Posted on 12/6/15 at 10:14 am to chRxis
You guys are missing the point. MLS growing is good for the growth of the sport in this country. It needs to be in more markets.
Subpar quality compared to what exactly? Leagues that have existed 5x as long as ours?
And has expansion thus far created a weaker product on the field? No. It has not.
Subpar quality compared to what exactly? Leagues that have existed 5x as long as ours?
And has expansion thus far created a weaker product on the field? No. It has not.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 11:32 am to LuckyTiger
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All of those countries could fit inside Texas
with double the population, much higher population densities, stronger player pools, superior soccer infrastructure, and the pick of the world's best soccer players
Posted on 12/6/15 at 11:49 am to joey barton
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with double the population, much higher population densities, stronger player pools, superior soccer infrastructure, and the pick of the world's best soccer players
and yet have a smaller first division
Posted on 12/6/15 at 1:53 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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The MLS could easily be at 28 in two years or less.
Lol
This tells me you don't know much at all about mls.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 1:59 pm to joey barton
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with double the population, much higher population densities, stronger player pools, superior soccer infrastructure, and the pick of the world's best soccer players
Yea, that's not the point.
We already know this. Expanding mls and adding clubs is not going to prevent us from getting those things you mention. It will actually help us.
More clubs=more soccer presence in the USA=more people watching and playing soccer=more growth of soccer=better more competitive soccer in the long run.
Keep growing.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 2:34 pm to LuckyTiger
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Lol
This tells me you don't know much at all about mls.
I've been following the league since it started.
Lol at you if you don't think the league if it really wanted , couldn't have 28 teams at the start of 2018.
But it would have to give up some things to speed up the process. Like stadiums not being built/renovated.
This post was edited on 12/7/15 at 3:54 am
Posted on 12/6/15 at 2:37 pm to LuckyTiger
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Yea, that's not the point.
We already know this. Expanding mls and adding clubs is not going to prevent us from getting those things you mention. It will actually help us.
huh they league already has issues in terms of depth and quality and adding 8 teams isn't going to make depth and quality better.
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More clubs=more soccer presence in the USA=more people watching and playing soccer=more growth of soccer=better more competitive soccer in the long run.
Keep growing.
Yea 20 or 30 years from now, but right now 28 teams is way to many. There are only so many quality players to go around. The MLS should not be scrapping the bottom of the barrel to fill its rosters.
The MLS does not have the money to compete on a global scale.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 2:49 pm to cwil177
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And has expansion thus far created a weaker product on the field? No. It has not.
No b/c there are only 20 teams. But making a league too big will definitely lower the quality of players.
Where are all these players going to come from?
Argentina just went from 20 to 30 teams and its been a disaster. This is from a soccer mad country with way better local talent than we have and gets players from all over South America.
This post was edited on 12/6/15 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 12/6/15 at 3:01 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Sweet triple post, bro.
Over what period of time did Argentina go from 20 to 30 teams?
You keep saying that MLS could add 8 teams by 2018 but then say it would dilute the pool. What's your point? It's not going to happen.
Don has been a great manager for the league. His model of slow, but sustained, steady growth has worked very well. The quality of the league has really gone up in the last few years in particular. MLS has added a bunch of teams in the past 7 or so years, and the product on the field continues to improve.
This whole argument is kind of moot. The league is not growing faster than the pool can adapt. The US attracts plenty of foreign talent and always will, so I'm not so worried about trying to encourage players to come here so that the league doesn't get "diluted" by the new teams.
Over what period of time did Argentina go from 20 to 30 teams?
You keep saying that MLS could add 8 teams by 2018 but then say it would dilute the pool. What's your point? It's not going to happen.
Don has been a great manager for the league. His model of slow, but sustained, steady growth has worked very well. The quality of the league has really gone up in the last few years in particular. MLS has added a bunch of teams in the past 7 or so years, and the product on the field continues to improve.
This whole argument is kind of moot. The league is not growing faster than the pool can adapt. The US attracts plenty of foreign talent and always will, so I'm not so worried about trying to encourage players to come here so that the league doesn't get "diluted" by the new teams.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 3:11 pm to cwil177
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Sweet triple post, bro.
hitting you with knowledge bro
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Over what period of time did Argentina go from 20 to 30 teams?
Just last year moving 10 established second division teams up. After one year they are already making plans to undo this mess.
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You keep saying that MLS could add 8 teams by 2018 but then say it would dilute the pool. What's your point? It's not going to happen.
Im saying they could but def should not. Even with 5 years 28 still will be too many teams.
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Don has been a great manager for the league. His model of slow, but sustained, steady growth has worked very well. The quality of the league has really gone up in the last few years in particular. MLS has added a bunch of teams in the past 7 or so years, and the product on the field continues to improve.
Thats bc it was growing to a sustainable amount of teams for a first division. Now passing 20-24 is becoming uncharted water.
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This whole argument is kind of moot. The league is not growing faster than the pool can adapt. The US attracts plenty of foreign talent and always will, so I'm not so worried about trying to encourage players to come here so that the league doesn't get "diluted" by the new teams.
There are only so many good players to go around. Thinking just bc expansion didn't hurt the quality before means it won't hurt it when making the league very big, is being extremely naive.
As long as the MLS has its disadvantages like the franchise model, salary cap and lack of real tv money. Moving to 28 teams can very much drop the quality of overall players.
If the commish came out and said we are doing this b/c we will eventually move to an MLS I/MLS II, then this would make perfect sense. But he has over and over said no promotion/relegation ever.
This post was edited on 12/6/15 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 12/6/15 at 3:17 pm to Dayman
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On the other hand, you couldn't pay me $50 to go see the Jesters play
Just curious, but why is this?
Posted on 12/6/15 at 4:35 pm to LuckyTiger
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Yea, that's not the point.
My point was that land area is irrelevant. If anything, it's a detriment since lots of people already bitch about having to make their way to middle of nowhere to watch their teams play, only to stand in line outside of the stadium until halftime because the league already has a tough time finding enough competent ownership groups.
You could expand vertically, too. I wouldn't want to spend MLS money and put up with MLS-level bullshite just to watch an NASL-level team get their shite pushed in every week.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 4:54 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I think MLS is announcing this move to 28 teams as part of its long term strategy. I don't see the MLS as actually having 28 teams until around 2025.
Think about soccer and MLS in the US at 2005 and now. Its quite figuratively night and day in terms of investment, interest, and growth. Is the quality of play worse now than it was in 2005? I would say clearly it is not and that is with around double the amount of clubs. So I believe it is entirely possible to continue to invest in growth while not compromising quality if the investment is executed properly. I look forward to seeing the state of soccer in the country ten years from now. I think it will be dynamic and prosperous and this continued, measured growth of MLS will play a significant role in that realization.
I think Garber and his team at MLS have done an outstanding job with the influx of ownership and clubs. It is no easy task to get quality stadiums in an urban core as they have accomplished with Minnesota, Atlanta, Miami, LAFC, Orlando, and soon to be Sacramento. Most of those situations have required an extensive amount of time and skill. They will be worthy components in the continued growth of soccer in the US.
cwill, regarding Vegas, you are exactly right mate. Vegas is pushing for an MLS club with good support from their city leaders. My concern for them is more in the realities of the city and its economy. The matches must be played at night due to the intense heat and I don't think casino owners want an MLS club as an alternative for entertainment. I do think they have a chance, however, and will challenge St. Louis for that 28th and final spot.
Think about soccer and MLS in the US at 2005 and now. Its quite figuratively night and day in terms of investment, interest, and growth. Is the quality of play worse now than it was in 2005? I would say clearly it is not and that is with around double the amount of clubs. So I believe it is entirely possible to continue to invest in growth while not compromising quality if the investment is executed properly. I look forward to seeing the state of soccer in the country ten years from now. I think it will be dynamic and prosperous and this continued, measured growth of MLS will play a significant role in that realization.
I think Garber and his team at MLS have done an outstanding job with the influx of ownership and clubs. It is no easy task to get quality stadiums in an urban core as they have accomplished with Minnesota, Atlanta, Miami, LAFC, Orlando, and soon to be Sacramento. Most of those situations have required an extensive amount of time and skill. They will be worthy components in the continued growth of soccer in the US.
cwill, regarding Vegas, you are exactly right mate. Vegas is pushing for an MLS club with good support from their city leaders. My concern for them is more in the realities of the city and its economy. The matches must be played at night due to the intense heat and I don't think casino owners want an MLS club as an alternative for entertainment. I do think they have a chance, however, and will challenge St. Louis for that 28th and final spot.
This post was edited on 12/6/15 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 12/6/15 at 4:55 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Because he is a jackass soccer snob. The jesters games are a good time.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:35 am to lsu31always
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Because he is a jackass soccer snob. The jesters games are a good time.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:38 am to Dayman
Nashville pls
Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:01 am to StraightCashHomey21
SCH, adding 10 teams in a one year period is retarded. That will never happen in MLS so I would slow the roll about the potential mess a quick expansion might cause. As John mentioned, slow, measured growth has worked thus far for the league.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 12:40 pm to cwil177
We should've just left the league at 10 teams. The depth and quality of play was so much better then.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 12:48 pm to arkyhawk
I find myself in the expansion is good camp... If we could sOMEhow lure the Giovinco's of the world, at the same time increasing the capacity of our own player pool... It would be a good thing IMO
We shouldn't try to model our league after the other countries, it just won't happen in the US..
We shouldn't try to model our league after the other countries, it just won't happen in the US..
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