re: Liverpool FC 2011/12 Season Thread

I think its make or break in the sense of getting back to the CL quickly (spending $ this summer) or resigning our selves to the idea that we are going to lose some top players and grow through youth... and that it will probably be a few years.

I believe that FSG are committed to winning and building something... If Martinez is the hire, I will take a second and then get behind him 100%. He has done some nice things in his career and proven himself to have a tactical acumen in the BPL... It will be nice to have someone young with fresh perspectives...

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Everyone needs to quit acting like fan boy idiots if Martinez gets hired. Simply put, no one knows anything. Everyone can guess, but nobody is ever held accountable.

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lol. You could make this argument about any hire. I never said I knew anything. I just said I wasn't excited about it. I think we're all allowed to get excited on our own about a hire or not.

Also, no one is claiming we're going to jump ship and be "fan boy idiots" if he gets hired. There are MAYBE two Liverpool posters on here that are fair weather fans. I stuck by Kenny through the entire thing, as well as Andy, and that shite smear Downing, so I'd like to think I pass the "fan boy idiot" test.

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I will trust that he's brought in for legitimate reasons and be excited about it. A good young mind and someone who is sharp tactically isn't the worst thing in the world. Nobody on the outside (and certainly not us) knows what the new management structure will look like so even guessing at all this is pretty silly.

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I totally agree. Although I think he's not the best hire I understand that there are people in better positions to make that decision. I will be behind him 110%, because that is the Liverpool way, regardless of the ups and downs. But, there are people in better positions at clubs everywhere that make astonishing managing decisions every year (Aston Villa, Wolves, QPR). It's just natural to question it when you don't understand it.

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Also, this isn't make or break time for Liverpool. It just isn't.

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The overwhelming vast majority of fans, pundits, and commentators would disagree with you on that. Almost everyone sees this year as setting us back significantly (meaning "break" not as in relegation, just mediocrity for years to come), if we don't get it right. You're a smart guy who knows his stuff about the club, so don't take this as me telling you you're wrong. Far from it, as I trust your opinion on these kind of things a lot. I say it as more of a vindication of the way I feel.

Here you go, from Zonal Marking. It does make you excited about a guy who seems to know tactics and not afraid to make changes...

Roberto Martinez - Zonal Marking

Again, I think its human nature to want a sexy name as a manager, when your club the size of LFC... That said, I thought the same thing about LSU football when we got Miles (had never heard of him before) and that hasnt turned out too bad...

I meant the 'fan boy idiot' in the sense that people get hard ons for a certain few, and disregard anything/anyone else. No one here seemed excited about a potential Martinez hire, which of course everyone is entitled to, but they seemed to be doing so without any real reason for it other than a lack of familiarity with him.

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But, there are people in better positions at clubs everywhere that make astonishing managing decisions every year (Aston Villa, Wolves, QPR). It's just natural to question it when you don't understand it.

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I totally get this. I get very wary of hires that are made quickly because that usually means the candidate was admired from a distance and a proper research and vetting process was cast aside. When the process is slower like this with multiple meetings, I tend to lose my cynicism. The hire might turn out to be a terrible failure, but I will always give the benefit of the doubt when it seems as if a plan is being put in place and adhered to.

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The overwhelming vast majority of fans, pundits, and commentators would disagree with you on that

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the vast majority of fans, pundits, and commentators either naturally, or are paid to have 'the sky is falling' disposition. It's ridiculous and you don't have to go very far to realize it.

Newcastle was relegated a few years back and that was it. Club's dead. They'll never get back to being a feared club. Two years later they made a few shrewd signings and almost made the CL.

Chelsea was out of the top 4 this year, old guys weren't playing well, and they were about to be dumped unceremoniously out of the CL. Now they're CL champions and everything seems right with their world again.

My point is, things change quickly. I don't want to watch Liverpool flounder and shite the bed again next year. It's awful. But if it happens, I'll still know that with a brand like Liverpool's, they'll only be a few smart signings away from being back to progress. It's an important season for sure, but I wouldn't label it make or break.

It's going to be Rodgers.

I still have my money on Martinez.

What makes you think Rodgers is more sought after than Martinez?

I would think Martinez is more highly regarded across football.

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It's going to be Rodgers.

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After all this I will be very surprised if its Rodgers. I guess I don't really have a preference. I don't know which of the two is supposed to be better and the most desirable.

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I think if they want Martinez, they can have him by tomorrow if they wanted. I think they're buying time to interview Rodgers.

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this is what i'm thinking

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I thought they were waiting until Friday because that is the first day they can use new Warrior logo or something like that?

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why would that matter though?

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Announcement will be Friday ... and it will be either Martinez or Rodgers.

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2 very good young managers.

Liverpool can't get Klopp so they try to find the next Klopp.

Hoping that Villa hire whichever one loses out..