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Klinsmann Interview with WSJ (aka Reigniting the holy war on here)
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:12 pm
Can't believe this hasn't been posted here yet - Full Klinsmann Interview
Pretty bizarre interview
Great Reaction Piece to Interview
Pretty bizarre interview
Great Reaction Piece to Interview
quote:
In advance of Copa's kickoff, Klinsmann gave an interview with the Wall Street Journal that is equal parts puzzling and disconcerting. The published Q&A contains "edited excerpts," but it paints the picture of a senior U.S. Soccer official unwilling to take any blame himself, instead casting aspersions on the American education system, every other major sport played in the U.S., and the players themselves as contributing to a "reactionary" playing style and general culture of resigned acceptance.
quote:
"The Czechgame [sic], we gave the first cap to Emerson Hyndman, he disappeared. What is going on on the goalkeeper front? Tim Howard is 37. [Brad] Guzan is 31. Nick Rimando is 36. Where is our next wave? Holy moly. We lost that generation that didn't qualify for [the] London [Olympics]. What happened to the Bill Hamids, the Sean Johnsons, the Breck [sic] Sheas, the Mix Diskeruds?"
quote:
Determination. Willpower. Aggressiveness. Intimidation. These, along with peak physical fitness, are hallmarks of previous U.S. managers who preached the power of intangibles to get results, including Klinsmann's predecessor, Bob Bradley. Klinsmann was supposed to change all that, making the program about world-class talent.
This is, to me, the most concerning thing about Jurgen Klinsmann, which every new interview seems to bore out in some form or fashion. Not that he makes puzzling roster and tactical decisions or is ineffective at overhauling a youth system with so many problems endemic to American culture writ large, but that he is no different than the others and American soccer is stagnating under his watch, but with the guise of progression because of his European accent and pedigree.
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I think what Klinsmann is trying to say here—that every other American sport can have discussions about strategy—is a silly argument for America's top soccer coach to make—it's the other sports that train our players wrong—and, once again, conveniently is not Klinsmann's fault or responsibility. Whether he's pointing the finger at millennials, American culture, his specific youth players, or throwing shade at the new technical director(s), he's blaming everyone but himself, which makes the final line of the Q&A especially ironic.
"...you have to take matters into your own hands."
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:14 pm to etm512
I read that earlier and came away with it confused as frick at how our technical director can use lack of youth as an excuse.
Props to Jurgen for that jedi mind trick.
Props to Jurgen for that jedi mind trick.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:21 pm to Broski
he basically said that we have a lot of youth talent, but between the ages of 18-22 us youth aren't mature enough to put in extra effort and take matters into their own hands to become first team starters for their club.
They wait until the age of 24 become rookies and take their profession serious enough.
I don't care for jurgen as our manager, be he is spot on here. The only questions is that since he has been our principle of all things soccer, he couldn't fix this in the last 5 years?
They wait until the age of 24 become rookies and take their profession serious enough.
I don't care for jurgen as our manager, be he is spot on here. The only questions is that since he has been our principle of all things soccer, he couldn't fix this in the last 5 years?
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:24 pm to Shane4689
But he's saying all this shite about how proving your worth in a domestic league is one thing, doing the same for the national team requires even more.
Yet, on our Copa roster, we have Michael Orozco who has made more appearances for the USMNT in 2016 than he has for Xolos.
Yet, on our Copa roster, we have Michael Orozco who has made more appearances for the USMNT in 2016 than he has for Xolos.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:33 pm to etm512
I look forward to him blaming the players in the upcoming Copa as well.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:35 pm to Shane4689
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They wait until the age of 24 become rookies and take their profession serious enough.
I don't care for jurgen as our manager, be he is spot on here.
Is he? We have some of those guys but he either won't call them up, won't give them a chance when he does call them up, or plays them in the wrong position.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:42 pm to pvilleguru
I think Jurgen should be fired regardless of the copa result, but he made some great points.
We have too many young talents that disappear right when they becoming known. Look at agudelo, mix, green,
We have too many young talents that disappear right when they becoming known. Look at agudelo, mix, green,
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:44 pm to Shane4689
So Miazaga at 20 for Cheslea
CCV at 17 for Spurs
Yedlin starting at 22
What the frick is this dude talking about?
Also claiming Hyndman has disappeared
Jurgen
CCV at 17 for Spurs
Yedlin starting at 22
What the frick is this dude talking about?
Also claiming Hyndman has disappeared
JurgenThis post was edited on 6/3/16 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:50 pm to fightingtigers98
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Also claiming Hyndman has disappeared
That was very strange. Yeah his club situation at Fulham was a mess but he just captained the U20 team in the WC
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:08 pm to etm512
Exactly, the dude hates MLS, because he is European. There is a lot of damn good young talent in MLS.
Every single player besides Horvath, Castillo, Bedoya, Orozco, Brooks, Johnson, Wood, and Pulisic got their start in MLS. Brooks, jones, Johnson lived in Germany, Castillo and Orzco began their youth career in Mexico
Look at guys who played in MLS and where they are now or where
Dempsey- was a top 5 goal scorer in the EPL
Yedlin- Starting in the EPL
Cameron- Starting in the EPL
Zusi-played at high level in MLS, was our assist leader at the WC
Besler-started at the WC
Howard and Guzan both started in MLS and wound playing big roles for years in the EPL
Bradley- started in MLS, played in multiple leagues in Europe and started with Roma
Nagbe- MLS
Birnbaum- MLS
Kitchen- started in MLS now moving onto a European career
Beckerman- career MLS player
Wondo- career MLS player
Zardes- started in MLS and is looking to move to Europe
The American soccer system isn't broken, it needs to be tweaked in certain areas. It will be hard for American soccer to become Germany because there is too many other sports here. We arent Europe and will never be Europe, but you act like MLS is some shite league is bullshite
Every single player besides Horvath, Castillo, Bedoya, Orozco, Brooks, Johnson, Wood, and Pulisic got their start in MLS. Brooks, jones, Johnson lived in Germany, Castillo and Orzco began their youth career in Mexico
Look at guys who played in MLS and where they are now or where
Dempsey- was a top 5 goal scorer in the EPL
Yedlin- Starting in the EPL
Cameron- Starting in the EPL
Zusi-played at high level in MLS, was our assist leader at the WC
Besler-started at the WC
Howard and Guzan both started in MLS and wound playing big roles for years in the EPL
Bradley- started in MLS, played in multiple leagues in Europe and started with Roma
Nagbe- MLS
Birnbaum- MLS
Kitchen- started in MLS now moving onto a European career
Beckerman- career MLS player
Wondo- career MLS player
Zardes- started in MLS and is looking to move to Europe
The American soccer system isn't broken, it needs to be tweaked in certain areas. It will be hard for American soccer to become Germany because there is too many other sports here. We arent Europe and will never be Europe, but you act like MLS is some shite league is bullshite
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:18 pm to etm512
So I have a few thoughts on this.
On a lot of stuff he talks about here, Jurgen's right. We do have too many guys sitting on benches. He's right, Mix has regressed, Brek Shea has regressed. Our keeper situation is troubling.
And I even like him calling out Hyndman and Zelalem. It's good for those guys. I don't mind coaches pissing off their players. They should be able to handle that. Both players are at points in their careers where they need to take the next step.
I hated this quote.
He said that for one reason. To abdicate himself from any blame. However true it may or may not be, just shut the frick up. You're the one who has played so many players out of position, who's made so many puzzling personnel and tactical decisions. If you're going to say you have no control of what happens between the lines, which is silly, IMO, then admit that you have complete control over which players are present and where they are playing.
On a lot of stuff he talks about here, Jurgen's right. We do have too many guys sitting on benches. He's right, Mix has regressed, Brek Shea has regressed. Our keeper situation is troubling.
And I even like him calling out Hyndman and Zelalem. It's good for those guys. I don't mind coaches pissing off their players. They should be able to handle that. Both players are at points in their careers where they need to take the next step.
I hated this quote.
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How can we explain to people in U.S. that soccer is a player-driven game and the decisions are made by the player? Because once the game is rolling, you have barely any influence on it. You have you three subs, a little talk at halftime and you can scream as loud as you want on the sideline, but they can barely hear you. So our challenge is always to tell them you have to take the game into your own hands, you have to drive it.
He said that for one reason. To abdicate himself from any blame. However true it may or may not be, just shut the frick up. You're the one who has played so many players out of position, who's made so many puzzling personnel and tactical decisions. If you're going to say you have no control of what happens between the lines, which is silly, IMO, then admit that you have complete control over which players are present and where they are playing.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:21 pm to etm512
quote:
WSJ: Younger players say you give little in the way of instruction, that you say things like “let your personality show,” or “make a statement.” Why do you speak in such generalities?
Klinsmann: When you go very specific, where do you start? Do you start with five bullet points? Or with 20? For every position, every system you want to play, every style you’re going to play? We do that here and there specifically before the games, but at the end of the day, they need to drive their own bullet points. They need to understand what makes me stronger, what makes me better.
Sort of disconcerting that our technical director isn't doing much directing.
He's wondering why our younger players aren't figuring shite out, yet is refusing to do anything in the way of helping them find a path.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:26 pm to Bluefin
quote:
When you go very specific, where do you start?
How about with what their role is?
With younger players just give them a maybe 2 or 3 things that you want them to do on the field. 10-15 minutes in if they are doing those 2-3 things, then give them an extra objective. Etc., etc.
It's not that hard. Help them build confidence.
If you start a young player, then by the 60-70 minute, then you have a decent idea of what he can handle.
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:32 pm to MLSter
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Soccer is a simple game, there are times where tactics and strategy all go out the window and it comes down to individuals. Look at us last world cup. Were our players as skilled as others in out group ? no, in fact we had the least skillful players in our group. But who won that group?
Germany
I upvoted though only because of
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(frick you wondo)
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:37 pm to Bluefin
quote:
WSJ: Younger players say you give little in the way of instruction, that you say things like “let your personality show,” or “make a statement.” Why do you speak in such generalities?
Klinsmann: When you go very specific, where do you start? Do you start with five bullet points? Or with 20? For every position, every system you want to play, every style you’re going to play? We do that here and there specifically before the games, but at the end of the day, they need to drive their own bullet points. They need to understand what makes me stronger, what makes me better.
This is some bullshite manager talk. And I don't mean football manager, I mean "leader of a group of people" manager.
"Hey boss, I need some help. I'd like to be better at my job."
"Sell more! Go get 'em, Larry! Wake up each day and do all that you can!"
I've said it a million times, but Jurgen is the frickstick at your job that contributes nothing, but put him in a conference room, and he'll roll out a dozen cliched buzzwords before the door closes.
frick that guy at work, and frick Jurgen.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:58 pm to etm512
Klinsmann is a bizarre individual. There are slivers of excellent points sprinkled throughout what he says and what he does but they are lost amidst every other strange and ridiculous thing he says and does. I honestly think he just does not get it. I think he understood how German soccer worked but failed in managing and executing it. With American soccer, I think he is failing not only to manage and execute it but also in understanding it.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:07 pm to Sheep
quote:
This is some bullshite manager talk. And I don't mean football manager, I mean "leader of a group of people" manager.
"Hey boss, I need some help. I'd like to be better at my job."
"Sell more! Go get 'em, Larry! Wake up each day and do all that you can!"
I've said it a million times, but Jurgen is the frickstick at your job that contributes nothing, but put him in a conference room, and he'll roll out a dozen cliched buzzwords before the door closes.
frick that guy at work, and frick Jurgen.
Eh, I understand Jurgy's frustration to a point.
Look at the Miazga example he used. Obviously JKs been beating it into his head, "Your 6 fricking 4. Be aggressive on set pieces, move your feet, and get your lanky-arse head to the ball."
How do you teach instincts? At some point they have to take ownership and elevate their own game.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 4:14 pm to John Keating
quote:
Klinsmann is a bizarre individual. There are slivers of excellent points sprinkled throughout what he says and what he does but they are lost amidst every other strange and ridiculous thing he says and does
I'm not that convinced by Klinsmann and really never have been.
However, I can't be overly critical of the main point he seems to be stumbling around concerning some of the younger players.
I don't follow as closely as many of you guys.
However, it sure seems that many of the young players over the last few years were just as good -- or better -- when first capped at 18-21 years old as they are 3 or 4 years later.
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 7:43 pm to Stewie Griffin
quote:
So I have a few thoughts on this.
On a lot of stuff he talks about here, Jurgen's right. We do have too many guys sitting on benches. He's right, Mix has regressed, Brek Shea has regressed. Our keeper situation is troubling.
And I even like him calling out Hyndman and Zelalem. It's good for those guys. I don't mind coaches pissing off their players. They should be able to handle that. Both players are at points in their careers where they need to take the next step.
I hated this quote.
I'm with you 100% on this.
He's got a lot of frickboy moments in this interview, but his point on our youth isn't off base. Whether it's that we have too few major talents and crown them too early or our major talents just aren't able to take that step too frequently, we're still leaning on our older guys far too much.
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 6/4/16 at 11:43 am to Dijkstra
I hope people appreciate the irony of a man who constantly deflects criticism in every imaginable way possible who then goes ahead a gives an interview blaming players for not having enough self responsibility.
He acts as if youth development isn't an issue for every country/team throughout history. I have no doubt that in 2005 he and Low expected Sebastian Diesler to run the 2006 World Cup team. Besides Ballack and Kahn, there wasn't a more apparent star. It didn't work out that way.
The reality is that likely 2/3 of prospects or more never amount to much. That makes sense. It's one thing to distinguish yourself when the pool is 18-22 and quite another when the pool is 18 to 37.
And if he's going to blame Julian Green for regressing, he knows damn well who gave that guy an unbelievable sense of entitlement.
Finally, he claims that the players don't know what to do, yet he gives them absolutely useless advice when he sees them for two weeks every few months and then he plays them out of position. So Jurgen, if the players are supposed to figure out their roles and make their way at their clubs, and there is no way to make a tangible difference in a game due to the continuous flow, why are you being paid millions of dollars?
He acts as if youth development isn't an issue for every country/team throughout history. I have no doubt that in 2005 he and Low expected Sebastian Diesler to run the 2006 World Cup team. Besides Ballack and Kahn, there wasn't a more apparent star. It didn't work out that way.
The reality is that likely 2/3 of prospects or more never amount to much. That makes sense. It's one thing to distinguish yourself when the pool is 18-22 and quite another when the pool is 18 to 37.
And if he's going to blame Julian Green for regressing, he knows damn well who gave that guy an unbelievable sense of entitlement.
Finally, he claims that the players don't know what to do, yet he gives them absolutely useless advice when he sees them for two weeks every few months and then he plays them out of position. So Jurgen, if the players are supposed to figure out their roles and make their way at their clubs, and there is no way to make a tangible difference in a game due to the continuous flow, why are you being paid millions of dollars?
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