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re: Judge sides with U.S. Soccer in USWNT's equal pay lawsuit
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:52 pm to beatbammer
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:52 pm to beatbammer
Outside of the WC or Olympics no one watches women’s soccer. The WC qualification is not competitive and only a handful teams are at a world class level. Don’t the women play all of those games “she believes cup etc.” because they get the money from the tickets and that is their true revenue generator?
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:59 pm to pvilleguru
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If you give $10k to two teams, one team has 30 players and the other has only 23, can you really say you paid them equally?
But the per-game compensation, to my knowledge, is on top of the base salary contracts for 44 players in the women's game, with 20 contracted at 100k with the WNT, 11 at 67k and 11 at 62k in the NWSL. Not only that, the women get a ticket-revenue share, insurance, payments for image rights, and the promise that the USSF will schedule a minimum number of WNT games, all of which are not in the men's CBA. With those calculations, it is impossible to argue that the per-game compensation for the men is actually higher, regardless of what the individual payouts were.
And again, if such a per-game, per-player compensation report would have showed favorable circumstances to the women's team, then the lawyer's for the team more than likely would have argued for it. They didn't, nor did they show a "comparable male employee" who was compensated at a rate above the women.
In fact, in the summary judgement itself, the defendant's expert finds that the average per-game compensation of the 4 WNT class representatives was $11,356 to $17,416, while the four highest MNT players made an average of $10,360 to $13,964. This was apparently not disputed by the WNT, and this does not include some of the other parts of total compensation which count as wages which I referred to above.
This post was edited on 5/2/20 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 5/2/20 at 8:04 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Do we know that, or did they just take the total that they paid the teams and said they each played x amount of games?
But the per-game compensation, to my knowledge, is on top of the base salary contracts for 44 players in the women's game
Posted on 5/2/20 at 8:08 pm to pvilleguru
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Do we know that, or did they just take the total that they paid the teams and said they each played x amount of games?
What are you talking about? This is from the CBA itself. This is separate from the per-game compensation.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 8:09 pm to Palmetto08
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@JoeBiden To @USWNT: don’t give up this fight. This is not over yet. To @USSoccer: equal pay, now. Or else when I'm president, you can go elsewhere for World Cup funding.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 8:11 pm to crazy4lsu
The CBA is pretty hard to find. I was looking for it earlier this evening.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 8:20 pm to pvilleguru
The summary judgement gives a good summary.
LINK
The summary of events also hints at my earlier conclusion, that the WNT wanted to use the MNT's prize pool from the WC, as showcased on page ten of this document, where Gulati says that one item in the WNTPA's proposal would "break" the USSF.
LINK
The summary of events also hints at my earlier conclusion, that the WNT wanted to use the MNT's prize pool from the WC, as showcased on page ten of this document, where Gulati says that one item in the WNTPA's proposal would "break" the USSF.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 9:33 pm to crazy4lsu
Anyone see this fricking ridiculous tweet from Joe Biden?
Is this jack hole threatening to defund the 2026 World Cup over some made up bullshite by the women?
quote:
Joe Biden
@JoeBiden
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9h
To
@USWNT
: don’t give up this fight. This is not over yet.
To
@USSoccer
: equal pay, now. Or else when I'm president, you can go elsewhere for World Cup funding
Is this jack hole threatening to defund the 2026 World Cup over some made up bullshite by the women?
Posted on 5/2/20 at 9:53 pm to PhillyTiger90
Biden’s going to make SoccerFags Trump fans

Posted on 5/2/20 at 10:08 pm to Palmetto08
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To @USWNT: don’t give up this fight. This is not over yet. To @USSoccer: equal pay, now. Or else when I'm president, you can go elsewhere for World Cup funding.
Like I said in the msb thread, it's a rediculous statement. No president would endanger a 30 billion boost to the economy over this.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 10:27 pm to BCLA
I almost wish US Soccer would call Biden out on such a ridiculous statement.
Honestly, it was a very Trump-esque twitter move
Honestly, it was a very Trump-esque twitter move
Posted on 5/2/20 at 11:41 pm to crazy4lsu
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Honestly, while I enjoyed watching the women's WC last summer, I could go my entire life without watching another women's match. It was fine enough to watch, but if these people are going to beat me over the head with this equality talk, when with my own eyes I can see obvious and relevant differences, then I'd rather not watch at all.
I’d usually be more sympathetic, but the constant jabs at the men’s team performance make me wish that the resolution would involve a men v. women friendly
Posted on 5/3/20 at 12:46 am to Dandy Lion
Anybody remember when the uswnt was known for playing soccer?
Posted on 5/3/20 at 9:13 am to joey barton
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I’d usually be more sympathetic, but the constant jabs at the men’s team performance make me wish that the resolution would involve a men v. women friendly
I'm definitely going to leave my leg out a little longer when I play in my co-ed league again, and then do that innocent gesture with my hands, like "oops, I didn't mean to do that" when in fact I did mean to do it.
Posted on 5/3/20 at 10:19 am to crazy4lsu
Have to “accidentally” step on them when you help them up too
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:09 am to beatbammer
Fun fact: Tanner Tessmann is the guy in those pics and he started the season for Dallas as an 18 year old and looked pretty good. From Birmingham originally, he turned down a scholarship to kick for Clemson.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:25 am to cwil177
Dallas loaded up on Birmingham kids.
Tessmann, Servania, Richards, etc.
Tessmann, Servania, Richards, etc.
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 10:27 am
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:23 pm to joey barton
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I’d usually be more sympathetic, but the constant jabs at the men’s team performance make me wish that the resolution would involve a men v. women friendly
Deep down, I'd love to be a big supporter of the USWNT. I really would. I'll cheer for the US in anything and but for the social justice battling, I wouldn't be compelled to make the comparison.
But they force it on us, which leads us to discuss these things. It is an inferior product in most every way - I don't mean that cruelly, it just is. But I think they would find we will promote/patronize/enjoy it and celebrate those female athletes if they stop shoving a completely misguided agenda in our faces.
If female sports want $$$ they either need A) widespread women-driven viewership/attendance/support (small minority of sports consumers, B) increased male support (large majority of sports consumers) or C) a non-merit/non-earnings driven system where their sports are propped up on account of sex.
So if they don't want C), it's ridiculous that women aren't chastised for not supporting female sports and men who might otherwise fill in that deficit are lectured and disparaged by the athletes and organizations that should be trying to appeal to male supporters to improve the viability of their professions/leagues.
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