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re: It's 12:11 pm central on March 28th and somehow Jurgen is still USMNT coach
Posted on 3/26/16 at 5:48 pm to WarSlamEagle
Posted on 3/26/16 at 5:48 pm to WarSlamEagle
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That's why he said sports passion. America cares and puts more money more about sports, the collective, than most nations.
he should have been more clear on his interpretation of sports passion
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Posted on 3/26/16 at 5:53 pm to Piscinin
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But that passion isn't directed towards soccer,
each year gets a bigger piece of the pie
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the sport being discussed in this thread, and isn't even close to comparable to how it is elsewhere
if it keeps growing, it will get there in time. since it's growing every year, and given our advantages, it will get here quicker than you realize...esp since you used "never" as your time frame
This post was edited on 3/26/16 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 3/26/16 at 5:54 pm to Piscinin
You are wildly, wildly, wildly missing SFP's point. The passion for soccer will grow because it's a sport in America. You must underestimate how popular it already is with young kids compared to some of the other big sports.
It just takes time, and, thankfully you've given us a deadline of "forever."
It just takes time, and, thankfully you've given us a deadline of "forever."
This post was edited on 3/26/16 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 3/26/16 at 5:59 pm to WarSlamEagle
what i can't wait for is analytics and advanced statistical models to take over in soccer 
we will surely be the first nation to go "all in" on this. europe is very much stuck in the mud and conservative in its development
we will surely be the first nation to go "all in" on this. europe is very much stuck in the mud and conservative in its development
Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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what i can't wait for is analytics and advanced statistical models
The strides that are already being made there in MLS and just with American fans/writers are impressive. It could be Moneyballed with the added bonus of having a ton of money.
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we will surely be the first nation to go "all in" on this. europe is very much stuck in the mud and conservative in its development
I'm sure this is going to get a quick rebuttal.
This post was edited on 3/26/16 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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in terms of history, belgium and holland are outliers. belgium hasn't done shite nationally, either. they just have a golden generation that is near/at its peak right now. lots of bias. on the flip side, holland is in shambles right now and doesn't consistently put out teams like the bigger euroeapn nations
Belgium's academies are arguably the gold standard in Europe, this golden generation or the huge amount of talent they're producing isn't some sort of fluke. Holland are obv. the same in this regard. Serbia and Croatia are two more 'outliers' who consistently produce talent that isn't respective to their populations or domestic leagues.
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again. it's not like this is some secret, magic formula. or that our own developmental systems won't emerge (with our money and industrious nature, i'm actually banking on this. we lead the world in ideas by a great margin. i can't imagine that won't apply to soccer)
If it were so easy, then how have England fallen so far behind their Spanish, French, Belgian, Italian, Dutch, Portuguese, etc. counterparts in regards to youth development? How is it that the Dutch clubs consistently export top tier talent post-Bosman rule? Or clubs like Partizan who consistently export talents to Western Europe despite running off of a very small budget?
Second part of that comment is just
Argentina haven't won a major international tournament since 93', while Uruguay have won two Copa Americas, definitely
Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:03 pm to WarSlamEagle
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I'm sure this is going to get a quick rebuttal.
i await dandy's response
SportsVU could change soccer. pretty sure that's only in use in 'Murka
Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:06 pm to Piscinin
Wow, the reaction was even better than I expected. It's similar to the one I had when you asked if the 1994 pool (which only had seven pros on the 23-man World Cup team) had really gotten that much better between then and now.
That deserves all the that this board can handle.
That deserves all the
that this board can handle.Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:09 pm to Piscinin
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Belgium's academies are arguably the gold standard in Europe, this golden generation or the huge amount of talent they're producing isn't some sort of fluke
from a historical context, it certainly is a fluke
or am i missing this long history of euro titles and world cup runs by the waffle makers?
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If it were so easy, then how have England fallen so far behind their Spanish, French, Belgian, Italian, Dutch, Portuguese, etc.
they've been well behind the continent for decades
and england just kind of acts british and anti-Europe and lots the athletic, longball/hoof game. they have no excuses b/c they've been a part of major soccer for 50+ years (unlike the US who really has only emerged in the last 20)
all your criticisms should be aimed at England
the US is like...Slovenia, and even they had USSR-based soccer programs developing the culture/players
we're a baby
Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:12 pm to WarSlamEagle
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Wow, the reaction was even better than I expected. It's similar to the one I had when you asked if
yeah that 94 team had one guy who played in europe, right? (lalas)
our current team could have a bunch of guys playing in europe who are in the MLS. the MLS just pays them more, so they play in the MLS
that's a problem but there isn't really a good solution to it. we can't tell the guys to take less money to stay abroad, and we can't stop the MLS from spending money to keep popularity high
again...just growing pains
This post was edited on 3/26/16 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:14 pm to Piscinin
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If it were so easy, then how have England fallen so far behind their Spanish, French, Belgian, Italian, Dutch, Portuguese, etc. counterparts in regards to youth development?
Ethnocentrism
Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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yeah that 94 team had one, right? (lalas)
Wiki lists seven who had club ties heading into the tournament and weren't fully contracted in the buildup to the USSF.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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lots the athletic, longball/hoof game
Literally, word-for-word, describes the U.S. style of play.
A man tries to come in and make the yanks actually play football and you all want to chase him off because the players are incapable of it
Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:16 pm to WarSlamEagle
i had to go back and edit after i re-read it. one in EUROPE.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:18 pm to Piscinin
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A man tries to come in and make the yanks actually play football and you all want to chase him off because the players are incapable of it
Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:19 pm to Piscinin
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A man tries to come in and make the yanks actually play football and you all want to chase him off because the players are incapable of it
Oh, how I love this.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:20 pm to Piscinin
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Literally, word-for-word, describes the U.S. style of play.
and we've been, essentially, playing soccer for 20 years while england has for 50+
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A man tries to come in and make the yanks actually play football and you all want to chase him off because the players are incapable of it
now you're just being obtuse and ignoring reality
at first he did invigorate our side and we did play a prettier band of soccer, but his failures at team building, tactics, positional grouping, in-game management, and basically failing in all areas of managing the game itself have had the team fall off a cliff
he's lost the team, has shown he has no idea what he's doing, and has lacked any sort of innovation going on 3+ years
Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i had to go back and edit after i re-read it. one in EUROPE.
Ah, right, right. Yep.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:20 pm to Piscinin
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A man tries to come in and make the yanks actually play football and you all want to chase him off because the players are incapable of it
you lost me there. i've seen zero difference in our style of play since he's been here and it's not b/c our players our incapable as many of them play or have played on sides that much better.
it's nice that jurgen "talks" about all the nice things he wants us to do but he can't implement them. keep in mind this is not the first coaching job he's had that people were not impressed with.
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